[Kizzy]

'WHERE do I state that borders must be closed? How does; "Stop these terrorists entering in the first place" mean stopping all immigration or closing borders?

It does not. If I had MEANT to advocate that all immigration must be stopped and our borders closed, I would have STATED as much.'

Instead of explaining what you don't mean how about we hear what your proposals are?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Win... What are you talking about, I posted there are/were strategies to help counter terrorism, that's good isn't it?
Your post was the negative one it made it appear we are all sitting ducks!
Post or don't it's of no consequence to me I won't pander to your ego, I'm having my say and if you don't like it that's your issue.

we ARE sitting ducks, his post was 100% spot on..it wasn't remotely negative, it was simply the truth. Its do gooders who have tried to pervrt the truth in this country for years that have made us as vulnerable as we now are. the only thing that has stopped us suffering a paris disaster is the English channel...even that is endangered by the chunnel, which should be closed until further notice

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think also that more could be done regarding the root causes of terrorism. So if you think of it like a timeline, of what causes terrorist acts through to an atrocity being committed, I'd pose that the points you make above come somewhere near the end/middle of the timeline but there's a whole lot of things wrong with the world that if they were to be addressed/solved, would have a much bigger impact on eradicating terrorism. That's more of a long term thing though and obviously doesn't help with current dangers. I don't know how well our security and intelligence services are equipped to deal with current dangers, but I think there are probably a lot of situations we don't see or hear about, and a lot of potential terrorist acts that get stopped without the public being told. But of course that's just conjecture.
And with point 'C' it strikes me as so strange that terrorists can even have safe houses. When the government holds so much information on us, how can these places stay hidden so well?

P.S. don't leave SD Kirk!!!

we must have a short term plan (as well as long term) but we must stop this NOW. before Europe goes up in flames

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

we ARE sitting ducks, his post was 100% spot on..it wasn't remotely negative, it was simply the truth. Its do gooders who have tried to pervrt the truth in this country for years that have made us as vulnerable as we now are. the only thing that has stopped us suffering a paris disaster is the English channel...even that is endangered by the chunnel, which should be closed until further notice

We have always been sitting ducks. Remember the IRA's 25 year bombing campaign? we suffered nearly 500 attacks.

The English channel didn't stop the 2005 London bombings by Islamic terrorists. 52 civilians were killed and over 700 injured. Three of those terrorists came from Leeds; one was a family man and a school assistant, the other lived with his mum and worked in the local chip shop and the other had just finished school. The other was from Aylesbury...all were born here.

Lee Rigby's attackers were born and bred in Lambeth.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

new labourites jump to false indignation , false offense and jump to politically correctness conclusions and love to grand stand...this is one of the main reasons we are in hell right now

What has my political leaning got to do with any of this? point out a leftist comment I've made on this thread. This thread was written to talk about 'what to do' and 'how to stop' (at least I think it was) so please don't try and tar me with red paint because I have the forwardness to speak my mind.

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, can you please try to stick to the topic and not eachother. I sound like a broken record in here

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Closed for cleaning, can you please try to stick to the topic and not eachother. I sound like a broken record in here

Not a Broken Record
Thank you for Cleaning the wrong posts

We are Lucky to have you
Fine Lady

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Not a Broken Record
Thank you for Cleaning the wrong posts

We are Lucky to have you
Fine Lady

N'awww Arista you big Charmer you

[arista]

Encrypted Apps helping Isis Go Dark

Have been Found Out
Ref : CBS Live News , FoxNewsHD

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Encrypted Apps helping Isis Go Dark

Have been Found Out
Ref : CBS Live News , FoxNewsHD

Why tell them they have been found

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I will comment on this post directly....

We are fortunate enough to live in a democracy where we can live relatively free lives. The terrorists aim to instil fear in our population and force us to remove the freedoms that we so enjoy.

Closing borders makes us an insular state, Not a free one. It encourages an us and them society where those considered different from the norm will be persecuted. Its not the way to proceed if we want to hold on to our core values.

The problem I think is that everyone seems to expect/want an instant solution, and there just isn't one. If we are to wipe out this menace it WILL take generations to achieve. In the mean time, we go on as we have always done, because for want of a better word, that's what makes us British. The moment we deviate from that, the terrorists have won.

Excellent post bitontheslide. People just don't seem to see that the more we give up in the name of protecting our way of life, the less of our way of life we have left to protect.


For those saying we live in dangerous times: no, in relative terms we just simply don't. Things are more dangerous now than they have been for a handful of decades, perhaps. If that. In historical terms the average person here is still safer (by a ridiculous margin) than we have been at any point in the entire history of the human race. If you can't appreciate that then you don't have a firm grasp of what life has been through history and earlier. The daily risks of the average Victorian citizen? Or earlier? When you would have been literally thousands of times more likely to die from simple poor sanitation than in a terrorist attack today? And then a thousand other daily risks that barely exist today?

Not that I'm saying we should be complacent but it's almost laughable to insist that these are dangerous times in historical terms. They just aren't. For a century we had a relatively safe ish century... If you don't include both world wars... Or the threat of nuclear devastation posed by the Cold War... I guess. Actually I think it's just the 2.5 decades, 80's / 90's / first half of the 00's when all of the conflicts felt "far away over there" and we were living in comfort (or ignorance?) here, feeling completely secure, that has warped things to the point where any vague danger is considered to amount to "dangerous times".

Our forefathers might laugh.

Rest assured; as you go about your daily business, you are statistically still very safe. One of the safest people in the world, and one of the safest Britons in history. This would be true even if there was a paris-scale terrorist attack in the UK every single month.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why tell them they have been found

Yes as they will change they system again


in the last 2 weeks in England
MI5 and Armed Police
stopped a Terrorist attack,

Ref Ch5HD News that was on.