[arista]

Great Debate just on Ch4HD News.


Good on Jon Snow
who told the Young Student
we have many statues in London that have people a bit on the dodgy side.






A Black Student Lad
demanded his statue
to be taken down.
because he was a Imperialist.


I say No
its more important that we know about their History
even if its Evil.

This is what Isis do
so there is no memory of the past.



A link on this Story
http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-10385293.html

[Rhodes made his fortune in the Kimberly diamond mines
and took control of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) under the auspices
of the British South Africa Company.]

Of course hundred years back or more
Africa was owned by Europeans
not just British.

He was a Respected man of his day
blacks were treated terrible - Thats all in our History.

[smudgie]

Hmmm, we celebrated Rhodes and Founders day back in my time in Zim.
Where do you start with trying to put right what wasn't considered wrong in the day..

[arista]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Hmmm, we celebrated Rhodes and Founders day back in my time in Zim.
Where do you start with trying to put right what wasn't considered wrong in the day..

Thats it.


If its taken down
we are getting like Isis

[JoshBB]

You wouldn't have hitler statues as 'history' and I think this is similar tbh.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You wouldn't have hitler statues as 'history' and I think this is similar tbh.

No Way


Hitler was Far more Evil
and Murdered much more

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You wouldn't have hitler statues as 'history' and I think this is similar tbh.

Plenty of statues of Stalin dotted around, and Mao Zedong and plenty of other questionable men. Removing them would be like trying to rewrite history.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Plenty of statues of Stalin dotted around, and Mao Zedong and plenty of other questionable men. Removing them would be like trying to rewrite history.

Bang On Right
Livia.


Its Like Isis
who take down all former Statues

[bitontheslide]

Should we re-write all our history books too and pretend events didn't happen? History is there to be learned from, good and bad.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Should we re-write all our history books too and pretend events didn't happen? History is there to be learned from, good and bad.

Maybe Josh wants that?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Plenty of statues of Stalin dotted around, and Mao Zedong and plenty of other questionable men. Removing them would be like trying to rewrite history.

This

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Should we re-write all our history books too and pretend events didn't happen? History is there to be learned from, good and bad.

And this

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah it's good to keep history restored and not destroying it.

[Kizzy]

Hope that Thatcher one in the houses of parliament comes down for a start...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Hope that Thatcher one in the houses of parliament comes down for a start...

That would be another Isis type of action

[jennyjuniper]

I am sick and tired of people being offended by our history and culture. If they don't like it...F... off and live somewhere that doesn't affect their delicate sensibilities.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I am sick and tired of people being offended by our history and culture. If they don't like it...F... off and live somewhere that doesn't affect their delicate sensibilities.

Trouble is.No country in the world has a squeaky clean past.People just have to accept that and we learn from the mistakes of the past.Blocking it out helps nobody.

[lostalex]

Why just focus on the statue? Why don't they all just drop out of the university, then it would be a win/win situation.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I am sick and tired of people being offended by our history and culture. If they don't like it...F... off and live somewhere that doesn't affect their delicate sensibilities.

How true Jenny, but if they did F Off, where would they go? Their problem would be in finding somewhere on this Earth that has not got a less than desirable history, because we British are not alone in the mistakes we have made in our Imperialistic past.

The great irony here is, that huge numbers of learned black people throughout the world owe their education to Rhodes, because when he died, he left almost a billion US dollars by today's value, to found 'Rhodes Scolarships to provide education for poor students - most of which went to OXFORD UNIVERSITY to provide places at Oxford for students from the BRITISH COLONIES as well as Germany and the United States.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How true Jenny, but if they did F Off, where would they go? Their problem would be in finding somewhere on this Earth that has not got a less than desirable history, because we British are not alone in the mistakes we have made in our Imperialistic past.

The great irony here is, that huge numbers of learned black people throughout the world owe their education to Rhodes, because when he died, he left almost a billion US dollars by today's value, to found 'Rhodes Scolarships to provide education for poor students - most of which went to OXFORD UNIVERSITY to provide places at Oxford for students from the BRITISH COLONIES as well as Germany and the United States.

So it's a case of biting the hand that feeds them.
Anyway Happy Christmas Kirk and all the best in 2016.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

So it's a case of biting the hand that feeds them.
Anyway Happy Christmas Kirk and all the best in 2016.

Merry Christmas to you and your family too Jenny love.

Yes - I believe that the statue of Rhodes was erected by Oxford - NOT to celebrate any imperialistic attainments by him, but specifically to commemorate the massive amount of money which he donated to found his scholarships at that 'Seat of Learning'.

Ignorance truly is bliss for some idiots.


UPDATE:

There is now a Daily Mail article about this. It seems the main protester is a 100% arrogant, ignorant ingrate hypocrite - in my opinion of course.

[URL=news/article-3369612/Mary-Beard-raps-zealots-Oxford-Rhodes-row.html[/URL]

[Kizzy]

He is quoted as saying that the British were the "finest race in the world" and "the more world we inhabit the better it is for the human race".

“The Rhodes scholarship was endowed with wealth extracted from the terrorised labour of Black African miners. Rather than place a murderous colonialist like Rhodes upon a pedestal,

Pull it down, pull ALL fascistic ideals down!

[Livia]

Hmmm getting rid of our history. Big Brother would approve.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm getting rid of our history. Big Brother would approve.

Manipulating our history to make this man appear some benevolent benefactor, hmmm.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Manipulating our history to make this man appear some benevolent benefactor, hmmm.

If you look at all the statues in all the world a massive number of them depict questionable people. You going to pull them all down? Wouldn't it be better if people strived to understand the difference in values between now and then? Those values are vastly different. Queen Victoria, the most powerful woman of her time, did bugger-all for women and their struggle... should we tear her statues down?

Teach people the truth but understand that it happened in the past and that you're looking at it through contemporary eyes.

[arista]

"UPDATE:

There is now a Daily Mail article about this. It seems the main protester is a 100% arrogant, ignorant ingrate hypocrite - in my opinion of course."

Yes Kirk
Bang On Right