[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

Excellent post

[parmnion]

I'm finding all this hatred aimed at winston really sad and depressing now, all the ganging up on people who dont take the view that hes this homophobic monster as well is totally uncalled for and should not be allowed to happen on the forum wether the moderators agree with whats said or not. Its all completely uncalled for and has no place on the forum.

With winston what you have is a man who said one thing years ago,something that he believes in and something he has stood by despite all the bullying and harrasment due to him saying it. A man who should actually be praised for staying strong in his beliefs. A man in all honesty because of his unwilting personality that i would want in my corner if i needed someone to fight for me and what i thought was rightious due to his unwilting ways.

His back to the walls comment is something i find unworthy of outrage because if you are gay and reading this is it breally that bad? Think about your relationship with your straight friends, have they never made a few jokey comments to you about your sexuality like perhaps you have to them about theirs! If they haven't, would you be as outraged and hatefull towards them if they did?

Winston has grown up in England as a black youth and will have had all the names surrounding that aimed at him as a kid on a daily basis growing up in the seventies. Does he seem like a man that is holding a grudge about it to you, because to me he doesnt! He looks like a man who has used it to make him stronger and more determined in life.

Time and time again winston has said why he used the term child abuse and if he believes that child abuse is a child that has been deprived of a mother figure then thats his perogative and it should be respected. If you have beliefs that gay marraige should be treated the same as same sex marraige when it comes adoption then hey guess what, it's not. So instead of posting on here about how disgusted you are at winston maybe you should channel that disgust and go and seek out your local mp and get him to fight for you and your rights to equality when it comes to adoption.

Winston as a 59yr old man will have earned the right to have these opinions and the right not to have them stripped away, he has the right as a man to believe he is due some respect, a man who should be able to remain with any belief he has and that no political correctness should be able to dictate what he can and can't say.

so it may be 2016, and you may think there is no place for these beliefs in this day and age but for some people of winstons age and era they see it as their way of life being suddenly stripped from underneath them and for me that is really unfair on them. The one constant through all of this though is the fact that winston is a man and in 2016 no man deserves the hatred and intolorence that has been aimed at winston on this forum lately.


So i ask you all that are guilty of it to practice what you preach and instead of spreading more hate in the world try and spread a little love instead as winston isnt exactly calling for anything more than being allowed to hold his opinion as long as he isnt preaching or spreading hatred to his fellow man.

[Amy Jade]

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Well thank you for the effort, but after reading your comment about aisleyne looking like she is out looking for a punter because she has made an effort in her choice of attire on a night out, your opinion has become somewhat irrelevent to me because its as outdated and as prejudiced as you believe and hold so dear to your heart that winstons are.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Presenters on the whole are always encouraged to try and remain neutral. This never happens on either BB or BBBOTS ( look at the lambasting some housemates got last year while others were held on pedestals no matter what they did) Up to this point I have never seen Emma interview someone in the manner she interviewed Winston last night. That being said, no matter what happens from now on Winston DID say that gay people adopting a child is like child abuse. This is one of the most foul disgusting things I have ever heard. I am a Christian also and I believe that in a changing world everyone is entitled to find love whether it be with the same sex or the opposite sex.

It was drilled into my brain when I was young that the Church is opposed to homosexual love and that love should ALWAYS be between a man and a woman. One of the MAIN reasons I love our current Pope is that he loves all parts of society and while he knows the teachings of the church he opens his arms and his heart to everyone which as a Christian I believe all the leaders of our church should do. I was sickened by Winstons statement and deeply sorry for the hurt it must have caused all my gay friends and all the gay people in our society who are looking for exactly the same thing as hetrosexuals, love marriage and children. Emma tried her best to make that creep cringe and justify his actions but the Church that he professes to believe in ISNT the one I am part of.

Nowhere in The New Testament does it mention 'homosexuality' - NOWHERE.

So any instruction, guidance, or teaching by 'The Church', that homosexuality is wrong, abberant or against the teachings of Jesus Christ, is the invention of those 'Churches' themselves and has NOTHING to do with Christ, or The New Testament, and therefore, nothing to do with Christianity.

If Winston TRULY believes the inane drivel he has espoused, then he has been 'brainwashed' by the homophobic prejudice of MAN and is not therefore 'remaining true to his faith', because nowhere is Christ - the fountainhead of Christianity- on record as being judgemental of homosexuals.

I have written on another thread that Winston was 'set up' by CBB, so I will not repeat it here, but I just wanted to clear up the gross mistake that Winston and others, it seems, are making in blaming 'Christianity' for his views.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nowhere in The New Testament does it mention 'homosexuality' - NOWHERE.

So any instruction, guidance, or teaching by 'The Church', that homosexuality is wrong, abberant or against the teachings of Jesus Christ, is the invention of those 'Churches' themselves and has NOTHING to do with Christ, or The New Testament, and therefore, nothing to do with Christianity.

If Winston TRULY believes the inane drivel he has espoused, then he has been 'brainwashed' by the homophobic prejudice of MAN and is not therefore 'remaining true to his faith', because nowhere is Christ - the fountainhead of Christianity- on record as being judgemental of homosexuals.

I have written on another thread that Winston was 'set up' by CBB, so I will not repeat it here, but I just wanted to clear up the gross mistake that Winston and others, it seems, are making in blaming 'Christianity' for his views.

WRONG ......... https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

[parmnion]

http://www.biblestudytools.com/roman...romans+1:26-28

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-...hey-really-say

6 scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-...hey-really-say

6 scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible

I get the feeling that you haven't even read the page that you've linked to

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

There is no faux outrage. People dislike homophobia. There isnt much to be confused about and im shocked that you are.

I get people are outraged, but some of it is over the top (imo)and I know some people don't like homophobia,there are a lot of things in this world I don't like ,but sadly we have to live with some of it,only education and upbringing can change how society is,you must remember the older generation was brought up totally different to now,and they are just as entitalled to their opinions as we are,I am not confused Withano,just taking both sides on board.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I get people are outraged, but some of it is over the top (imo)and I know some people don't like homophobia,there are a lot of things in this world I don't like ,but sadly we have to live with some of it,only education and upbringing can change how society is,you must remember the older generation was brought up totally different to now,and they are just as entitalled to their opinions as we are,I am not confused Withano,just taking both sides on board.

Who is stopping people having an opinion?

Challenging an opinion isn't stopping it btw.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Who is stopping people having an opinion?

Challenging an opinion isn't stopping it btw.

Plenty are trying to stop valid opinion with accusations of homophobia etc. One would need to be blind not to see it

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Plenty are trying to stop valid opinion with accusations of homophobia etc. One would need to be blind not to see it

Had the person accused of homophobia made a homophobic comment?

I've see plenty of those comments the past couple of days.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Had the person accused of homophobia made a homophobic comment?

I've see plenty of those comments the past couple of days.

only in your opinion

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

only in your opinion

The forum has been awash with ignorant homophobic posts. Multiple threads closed. Posts removed.

Pretend none of that happened if you like.

[parmnion]

To be fair i think most threads were closed for pointless tit for tat one upmanship type posts rather than homophobic ones.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nowhere in The New Testament does it mention 'homosexuality' - NOWHERE.

So any instruction, guidance, or teaching by 'The Church', that homosexuality is wrong, abberant or against the teachings of Jesus Christ, is the invention of those 'Churches' themselves and has NOTHING to do with Christ, or The New Testament, and therefore, nothing to do with Christianity.

If Winston TRULY believes the inane drivel he has espoused, then he has been 'brainwashed' by the homophobic prejudice of MAN and is not therefore 'remaining true to his faith', because nowhere is Christ - the fountainhead of Christianity- on record as being judgemental of homosexuals.

I have written on another thread that Winston was 'set up' by CBB, so I will not repeat it here, but I just wanted to clear up the gross mistake that Winston and others, it seems, are making in blaming 'Christianity' for his views.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion as am I of mine.

[sampvt]

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rionablue

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion as am I of mine.

I was not berating or targetting you, I was really saying that the Christian Church should never preach homophobia based on the teachings of Jesus the Christ because Christ did not mention homosexuality anywhere - let alone condemn it.

[Livia]

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

WRONG ......... https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

Sorry, I should have made myself crystal clear:

I am aware of those few passages which you cite, and familiar with the highly contentious translations of the words "Malakoi" and "Arsenokoitai", and also the fact that the word 'Sodomy' - which has become a byword for anal intercourse and the 'foundation' upon which so many Biblical Text interpreters wrongly base their interpretations upon – has NO connotations with homosexuals or homosexuality itself, because NOWHERE in Genesis 19 is anal intercourse mentioned let alone 'homosexuality.

So, just HOW the word Sodomy came to be accepted as a definition of anal intercourse is one mystery , but just how it came to be almost exclusively an 'homosexual' act in most people's mind, is a far greater one – don't heterosexuals widely practice anal intercourse?

As it is, the few passages in the New Testament which purport to denounce 'homosexuality' are highly questionable, and what I meant to say, and should have said, is that nowhere in the New Testament does GOD in the form of Jesus The Christ, mention Homosexuality.

The later Paulean letters and sermons are the words of MAN and NOT the words of GOD – neither the Father or Son.

Therefore, if Paul or Timothy – or any New Testament writer – is writing anything other than the direct teachings and words of Jesus Christ, then the sentiments expressed in such writings are THEIRS and NOT Christ's, and as such I discount them as I see fit.

Paul and other writers may have been 'Christians' but they are NOT Christ, and – to me therefore, as a non-orthodox Christian - their anti-homosexual opinions are not infallible and are about as valid as my pro-homosexual opinion.

If therefore, the Christian Church teaches anti-homosexual or 'homophobic' views, then they should make it clear that what they are basing their teachings on are the words of MAN and NOT GOD.

If Winston has been brainwashed, then it is by the perverse minds of other men, not the infallible words of God.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

You don't get to decide what I post, in fact, you don't get to edit what anyone on here says or decide how often a point is made. It's a forum. You have to expect people to say what they feel whether or not anyone's already said it. I don't see you trying to censor people saying positive things about your favourites so please don't try to censor me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

Uh? This is a forum, where ALL members are free and welcome to post their views - even if such views reiterate earlier ones, or overlap current ones.