[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

'I don't agree with gay people adopting' is a reasonable (albeit outdated) view.

'Gay adoption is child abuse' is offensive and is anything but reasonable.

Depriving a child of a mother figure is abusive. That is my opinion and the opinion of many people.

And most importantly, it is an opinion that Winston is entitled to hold without being bullied and harassed.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The leftist media

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

559 cat ladies on Facebook out of a viewership of two million...do I ignore it? Yes I do, it's 0.03% of the entire audience.

It isn't representative and that's the end of it.

Who is this all telling demographic that has popped up today?...

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

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I remember you vehemently and passionately arguing that what goes on outside the house should not come into it and housemates should be solely judged on what they do inside the house. Why are you making an exception in Winston's case?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Depriving a child of a mother figure is abusive. That is my opinion and the opinion of many people.

And most importantly, it is an opinion that Winston is entitled to hold without being bullied and harassed.

If that was his rationale then why not state that instead of harping on about Christianity?... pfft!

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I remember you vehemently and passionately arguing that what goes on outside the house should not come into it and housemates should be solely judged on what they do inside the house. Why are you making an exception in Winston's case?

Whilst I agree that bringing in outside information is tedious for the show and goes against its entire concept, his handling of the comments inside the house are also up for questioning here (as are his behaviour around Tiffany, and his VT comments).

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who is this all telling demographic that has popped up today?...

IF the same 600+ "cat ladies " had been applauding Emma it would have been a different story

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Depriving a child of a mother figure is abusive. That is my opinion and the opinion of many people.

And most importantly, it is an opinion that Winston is entitled to hold without being bullied and harassed.

Interesting how you've assumed that all gay people are men

Gender roles are a social construct and do not exist. Fact.

Yours and Winston's justification for the use of the word 'abuse' is nothing more than a masquerade for its actual meaning, which at worst implies gay people are paedophiles (a common homophobic insult) and at best that it's neglect of a child. Neither are at all acceptable. Believe that gay adoption shouldn't be allowed all you want, but start using words like 'abuse' and you become deliberately offensive and you will be rightly ripped apart.

The people who are crying and screaming about Winston's 'unfair' treatment just need to come out and admit that gay people scare them and that they share his views.

Thankfully these opinions are dying out with the people who hold them, and it won't be long until they're gone for good.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Gender roles are a social construct and do not exist. Fact.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Depriving a child of a mother figure is abusive. That is my opinion and the opinion of many people.

And most importantly, it is an opinion that Winston is entitled to hold without being bullied and harassed.

If someone is literally removing a mother from her child's life for no reason then fine, obviously noone would agree with that. But your point completely ignores the fact that children who are up for adoption are living in care homes and have NO parents. How anyone can suggest that living with no parents is better than having gay parents is beyond me, let alone suggest that the latter is akin to abuse. He should have to explain his views, for the simple reason that they don't make any sense.

[Papillon]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Winston was stitched up full stop

I agree, totally stitched up by everyone including BB.

I don't like the guy, never have done...

They (BB & C5) used Winston to get what they wanted, publicity & ratings.
They humiliated him & used a statement he said outside the house over a year ago to justify their actions.

Winston was nothing more than a puppet.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I'm truly taken aback by your intellectually rigid, well written and thought out reaponse. How ever will I respond to something which has challenged my opinion and left me wondering how to defend it?

On-season really is a remarkable time on here for multiple reasons, isn't it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

What's so funny? He's right :/

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Interesting how you've assumed that all gay people are men

Gender roles are a social construct and do not exist. Fact.

Yours and Winston's justification for the use of the word 'abuse' is nothing more than a masquerade for its actual meaning, which at worst implies gay people are paedophiles (a common homophobic insult) and at best that it's neglect of a child. Neither are at all acceptable. Believe that gay adoption shouldn't be allowed all you want, but start using words like 'abuse' and you become deliberately offensive and you will be rightly ripped apart.

The people who are crying and screaming about Winston's 'unfair' treatment just need to come out and admit that gay people scare them and that they share his views.

Thankfully these opinions are dying out with the people who hold them, and it won't be long until they're gone for good.

So there is no such thing as a man and a woman ,they are both the same

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

If someone is literally removing a mother from her child's life for no reason then fine, obviously noone would agree with that. But your point completely ignores the fact that children who are up for adoption are living in care homes and have NO parents. How anyone can suggest that living with no parents is better than having gay parents is beyond me, let alone suggest that the latter is akin to abuse. He should have to explain his views, for the simple reason that they don't make any sense.

He clearly stated his views were Christian. We live in a Christian country. Why should he have to explain them at all. Muslims aren't asked to explain all the vile things in the Quran are they?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's so funny? He's right :/

No I'm not, women are naturally more caring and their place is in the kitchen while men are emotionless, callous bastards that love work and football and violence grrrr lads lads lads! None of these things are the product of our environment, they truly exist don't you know!

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

So there is no such thing as a man and a woman ,they are both the same

What particularly amuses me is that these gay rights campaigners constantly say things like "gender roles don't exist" but if that were true then why would gayness exist? Surely they would fancy anyone regardless of gender.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No I'm not, women are naturally more caring and their place is in the kitchen while men are emotionless, callous bastards that love work and football and violence grrrr lads lads lads! None of these things are the product of our environment, they truly exist don't you know!

You are the only one saying that. I think your real views are leaking through.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

'I don't agree with gay people adopting' is a reasonable (albeit outdated) view.

'Gay adoption is child abuse' is offensive and is anything but reasonable.

Yes Jack
you are Correct.


But Millions do say that
not on here, of course

and not me , by the way.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

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I'm truly taken aback by your intellectually rigid, well written and thought out reaponse. How ever will I respond to something which has challenged my opinion and left me wondering how to defend it?

On-season really is a remarkable time on here for multiple reasons, isn't it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

So there is no such thing as a man and a woman ,they are both the same

There is such a thing as the biological sex of males and females, but the gender binary of men and women is nothing more than a collection of stereotypes and social constructions.

Women are not 'naturally' better at providing emotional support, men are not 'inherently' work-orientated. These kind of gender roles are things that have been embedded in people's psyche over hundreds of years and differ across time and space. They do not exist in reality.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There is such a thing as the biological sex of males and females, but the gender binary of men and women is nothing more than a collection of stereotypes and social constructions.

Women are not 'naturally' better at providing emotional support, men are not 'inherently' work-orientated. These kind of gender roles are things that have been embedded in people's psyche over hundreds of years and differ across time and space. They do not exist in reality.

You are actually serious aren't you?

I really despair for the future of this world.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

He clearly stated his views were Christian. We live in a Christian country. Why should he have to explain them at all. Muslims aren't asked to explain all the vile things in the Quran are they?

Oh come on, he said his views are Christian in a pathetic attempt to try and excuse them. He's a grown man with a mind of his own and so he should be expected to be capable of defending his opinions. The fact is, they're indefensible, and that's why he's hiding behind religion.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The leftist media are totally mis-portraying the attitudes of people in this country. If you think this country is all pro gay marriage and pro immigration etc then you are sorely mistaken.

Remember when that petition to bar Trump from the UK got 500,000 signatures? Well another petition at the same time to stop immigrants being allowed into this country got 550,000 signatures.

I definitely do not think this at all. And the majority of the media is about as far away from being 'left' as you can be

I know many disagree with gay marriage and such, hell even some of my gay friends don't give a crap about gay marriage (and one gay guy I know actually disagrees with it, rather than not caring about it)

I have also seen the bar immigrants petition, and vaguely heard about the trump one. The trump one is a ****ing joke to be quite honest. I don't understand why people think he should be barred from the country just for being a twat...


--However, the BB viewing audience is largely/mostly gay friends or actually gay. As such I don't think many would have voted for winston as they agree with his views.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Depriving a child of a mother figure is abusive. That is my opinion and the opinion of many people.

And most importantly, it is an opinion that Winston is entitled to hold without being bullied and harassed.

Gay adoption can arguably mean giving a child 2 mothers, rather than depriving them of one

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Oh come on, he said his views are Christian in a pathetic attempt to try and excuse them. He's a grown man with a mind of his own and so he should be expected to be capable of defending his opinions. The fact is, they're indefensible, and that's why he's hiding behind religion.

I'm not hiding behind anything. I totally agree with Winston and it isn't for religious reasons. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Should I be mercilessly bullied and hounded on TV too?