[Josy]

Thought we could have a thread in here discussing the case at the centre of the Making a Murderer documentary and all the theories surrounding it.

So if you've watched do you think Steven and Brendan are guilty?

Having watched the series and read lots of information that's freely available online I am pretty certain that they are both innocent and were framed (rather obviously IMO) by the Manitowoc County Police Department.

Links to the online transcripts of the court cases etc..

Dassey transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/dassey-files/

Avery transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/avery-...l-transcripts/

Under the Avery Transcripts it has 50 or so official crime scene photos.

[Cal.]

They're both guilty.

(From what I've seen so far)

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

They're both guilty.

So do you have any reasons why you think that?

I'm just quite shocked that anyone could watch the entire series and not come away at the end thinking that theres some highly suspicious stuff going on there.

I know some say it was all one sided but all of the information is available online for anyone to read.

Also Kathleen Zellner has now taken charge of Steven's appeals and she is well known for taking on wrongful conviction and exoneration cases, I just can't see her getting involved if she had any doubts at all that they werent guilty.

[Cal.]

I just can't get over that her remains were in his firepit. I'm sorry.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I just can't get over that her remains were in his firepit. I'm sorry.

Fair enough

[Kizzy]

My daughter was telling me about this, she thinks they were set up to get out of paying the compensation for the wrongful conviction.

[Iceman]

It's so ****ed up. He was to be paid a huge amount and then he goes and murders someone. No way would anyone do that. All the evidence is too tampered with or non existent for my liking too. Not to mention the juror saying he feared for his life.

[Marsh.]

But he seems a highly unbalanced individual to me. I mean, granted he's not going to be the most stable of people spending that long in prison for something he didn't do.

But I don't think he's entirely innocent. But the corruption amongst the police/government is shocking.

[Brother Leon]

There is no way either of them should have been convicted looking at just the evidence and the Trial. There is something about Steven though.... Poor Brendan was the true travesty though. Poor kid.

[Smithy]

Obviously not guilty, I think the most overwhelming thing for me was that his blood was found in her car, (presumably) from the cut on his finger, but there were no fingerprints, plus her body had been put in the back of her own car, which makes NO sense

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I just can't get over that her remains were in his firepit. I'm sorry.

But what about the fact that that cop Colburn rang in the missing car to dispatch 2 days before the car was actually found on Steve Averys property? And the fire expert guy saying it was likely the burned remains had been moved to the pit closest to Steves home?

The cops had motive to pin it on Steve since they were just about to get sued for millions plus have their reputations left in tatters, it's not like they didn't have form for pinning something on him, they were by no means ethical cops

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Obviously not guilty, I think the most overwhelming thing for me was that his blood was found in her car, (presumably) from the cut on his finger, but there were no fingerprints, plus her body had been put in the back of her own car, which makes NO sense

Plus according to the story Brendan told, they raped and cut Theresas throat in Steves bedroom but not a single piece of blood, skin, hair, body fluids were found in there

[Niamh.]

Meant to post this here instead of the other thread. This theory makes so much sense :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/0...n_9048104.html

[Niamh.]

Jeez all these theories sound pretty plausible actually

http://www.tv.com/shows/making-a-mur...-145382448447/

[DemolitionRed]

I have so got to watch this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I have so got to watch this.

You really need to DR

[Josy]

I've been obsessed since watching it.

All of the case files are available to read online, the whole thing.

There's a huge protest in Manitowoc today too to get some media attention about the dodgy evidence.

Even if you do think they are guilty, no one can deny that they deserve a new fair trial.

[Josy]

Also the entire 4 hours of brendans interviews as well as the first one when him and his brother were pulled over coming back from the families cabin is also online.

He always sticks to the same story about coming home from school, playing playstation etc, until they start pressuring him.

[Josy]

And how can they have found one guilty saying she was murdered in the garage and the other saying she was murdered in the bedroom, what the **** is that all about

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

And how can they have found one guilty saying she was murdered in the garage and the other saying she was murdered in the bedroom, what the **** is that all about

yeah by the same lawyer too, crazy. Seems it was right that Kratz was a sleaze bucket as well after seeing what happened to him afterwards

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Plus according to the story Brendan told, they raped and cut Theresas throat in Steves bedroom but not a single piece of blood, skin, hair, body fluids were found in there

Yeah it's hilarious, you slit someone's throat there is going to be blood EVERYWHERE and on a matress/duvet/carpet it's gonna be impossible to clean but nothing found at all and they still managed to be convicted

[Niamh.]

So for the people who think Steve is innocent, who do you think actually did it?

[Smithy]

The brother or the ex, they both looked really shifty the first time you see them

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

The brother or the ex, they both looked really shifty the first time you see them

Teresas brother?

I think it might have been Scott Tadych but the ex hacking into her phone was strange especially when they could tell some messages had been deleted

[Niamh.]

Yeah I really think this is it :

Theory #1: Scott Tadych (Avery’s brother-in-law) and Bobby Dassey (Avery’s nephew and Brendan Dassey’s brother) killed Halbach (purposefully or accidentally) and framed Avery for the crime … and then sat back and watched as the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department separately did the same.

Evidence: The amount of evidence found on the Avery property — including Halbach’s remains and her car – has led many to surmise that if Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are innocent, the real killer would still likely be someone who had similar access and opportunity, both to Halbach herself and the Avery property. A number of other Avery family members also lived on the property at the time, including Tadych, Janda and all four of the Dassey boys. It was Janda’s car that Halbach came to photograph for Auto Trader magazine, and Tadych more than likely was privy to her visit. Bobby Dassey testified to seeing Halbach taking pictures of his mother’s car, and both men had access to the various locations where evidence was found. Neither was fingerprinted or submitted DNA, and the trailer where they lived was not searched, so there’s no way of knowing if there was evidence linking them to Halbach’s murder, because they were not investigated.

Other Evidence: Bobby is believed to be Tadych’s accomplice in this theory, based on the fact that the pair conveniently alibi each other for the time of the murder. Both claimed to have gone hunting that afternoon/evening, but not together, and said they passed each other on the highway during the window of time Halbach is believed to have been killed – but there are no other witnesses to offer further corroboration.

Tadych, meanwhile, has a long history of being violent towards women, and showed a strange level of enthusiasm for his brother-in-law’s conviction (he called it “the best thing in the world ever”) despite knowing his step son, Brendan, was facing similar charges. Meanwhile, Bobby Dassey’s testimony at trial had notable inconsistencies and misleading statements, and an unrelated examination the same week as the murder reportedly revealed that Bobby had scratches on his back. Additionally, shortly after Halbach’s death, a coworker of Tadych’s claimed that he was trying to sell a .22 rifle, the same as the gun believed to be the murder weapon, which he said belonged “to one of the Dassey boys.”