[cfromhx02]

John keeps getting called a manipulator yet none of the following have given an example yet; Gemma,Megan,Tiffany or anyone on BOTS.

So who really is the biggest manipulator. John or Gemma ?

From what I've seen

it is Gemma who is.

[cassieparis]

John.

[millyrose]

Gemma

[jet]

John

[Stormy]

They both are trying to manipulate however Gemma is the bigger one for the simple reason that she has a bigger sphere of influence than John.

John was able to manipulate Darren, Kristina and Daniella...but everyone else rebelled. Gemma was and is able to manipulate Tiffany, Darren, Daniella, Meghan, Christopher, Scotty T....although Chris is starting to pull away.

[hot2go]

Gemma

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Stormy

They both are trying to manipulate however Gemma is the bigger one for the simple reason that she has a bigger sphere of influence than John.

John was able to manipulate Darren, Kristina and Daniella...but everyone else rebelled. Gemma was and is able to manipulate Tiffany, Darren, Daniella, Meghan, Christopher, Scotty T....although Chris is starting to pull away.

What's interesting about that is that Jeremy isn't on the lists ...and that's what I like about him...he's nobody's bitch.....he's just sleeping with one ...Just Kiddin I like her too

I think he's the dark horse and one to watch in the run up to the final

[GiRTh]

both have been quite blatant but I would go with John

[hot2go]

Is it such a bad thing to be a manipulator ? It's part of how this works ....I like the game players

[hot2go]

If John is a match for Gemma in playing the game then that's impressive....after all this is her day job....Johns an actor ....I doubt she could be thrown onto a west end stage and be a match for John yet he's holding his own pretty good in her reality world ...well done John I say

[joeysteele]

Gemma by miles.

[tanussa]

gemma by far

[cfromhx02]

Thank goodness for that.Gemma clearly in the lead now.At first it was half and half with the first few votes.I'm not against people disagreeing.It's just I fail to see any logic in thinking John is a bigger manipulator than Gemma and fail to see the logic too that he gets accused as one when Gemma doesn't inside the BB house.