[Greg!]

Hmmm that's why you were telling everyone that she needed to leave a couple of weeks ago?

UGH he's so fake gerrim ahhht

[Pete.]

Such lies, luckily we all remember him bullying Tiff

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Hmmm that's why you were telling everyone that she needed to leave a couple of weeks ago?

UGH he's so fake gerrim ahhht

He has got on with her for ages now ,the thing with angie etc has been explained numerous times on here.

[windyourneckin]

hes a fake piece of shhit

[thisisdanny]

[Headie]

Unlucky for him, Tiffany fans never forget when someone disrespects the queen

[LukeB]

Liar John

[Heaven = Winner]

He was vile with her around Dead David gate, but I think since they had their heart-to-heart, they seem to have genuinely have got on well together. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to ride her coattails, but I don't think he's lying or anything

[bitontheslide]

Their friendship looked very natural to me, I have to say.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Heaven = Winner

He was vile with her around Dead David gate, but I think since they had their heart-to-heart, they seem to have genuinely have got on well together. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to ride her coattails, but I don't think he's lying or anything

I think they have become friends as a result of that incident.

[Heaven = Winner]

jh,j,g nvm ignore me

[Heaven = Winner]

Originally Posted by susie q

I think they have become friends as a result of that incident.

It feels like they've formed a connection at the very least, and it seems like they enjoy each other's company now

[rusticgal]

.....but isn't John everyone's BESTIE now.

What a massive game player.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

He thinks we're stupid.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Heaven = Winner

It feels like they've formed a connection at the very least, and it seems like they enjoy each other's company now

Little Johnny has a connection with EVERYBODY now....having turned on his pal Darren and losing support of housemates AND public he has been licking everyone's arse.

[Cherie]

John is just so fake

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Such lies, luckily we all remember him bullying Tiff

No we remember him telling her that Daniella, Gem, Nancy, Kristina, Chris, Steph & Megan all said there were frightened of her and wanted her out.

We also remember him being the one who offered the olive branch the next day and tried to include her so she wasnt being isolated and got slated for it for being 'two faced'

Basically since that 1 afternoon theyve got on reasonably well, gemma is John main enemy Tiff never was.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by RodHull

No we remember him telling her that Daniella, Gem, Nancy, Kristina, Chris, Steph & Megan all said there were frightened of her and wanted her out.

We also remember him being the one who offered the olive branch the next day and tried to include her so she wasnt being isolated and got slated for it for being 'two faced'

Basically since that 1 afternoon theyve got on reasonably well, gemma is John main enemy Tiff never was.

Exactly right Rod,no one was thinking straight at that time,but it falls on deaf ears.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by windyourneckin

hes a fake piece of shhit

Oh that's what it is ....I've been wondering what the balanced reason for people's dislike of John was.....now I know....can't really challenge that one, it's already so full of information that backs up the statement....he's a fake piece of sh-t.....:j oker:

[hot2go]

I guess it's kinda hard to hate John and have that known, then find out that Tiffany has actually formed a friendship with that person, because she thinks John is a nice guy ...must be hard....how to dig out of that situation without losing face...must be hard.

[RodHull]

I think people misjudge the guy, don't get me wrong i'm not his biggest fan hes very luvvy and over dramatic and sanctimonious at times.

But I think he has known for some time he cant win, hes not stupid and since that first week hes basically just been along for the ride to see how it plays out. Hes knows the winner now is either scotty darren or tiff, and I think of those left Darren and Tiff are the ones hes closest to lets put it this way hes had more 1 on 1 chats with tiff this week than say daniella or gemma

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by RodHull

No we remember him telling her that Daniella, Gem, Nancy, Kristina, Chris, Steph & Megan all said there were frightened of her and wanted her out.

We also remember him being the one who offered the olive branch the next day and tried to include her so she wasnt being isolated and got slated for it for being 'two faced'

Basically since that 1 afternoon theyve got on reasonably well, gemma is John main enemy Tiff never was.

He said "she's got to go...." Let's remember he was head honcho for the first few days and thought he ran the Gaff...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I guess it's kinda hard to hate John and have that known, then find out that Tiffany has actually formed a friendship with that person, because she thinks John is a nice guy ...must be hard....how to dig out of that situation without losing face...must be hard.

Tiff had him sussed...remember the convo in the bathroom. She had to then become his biggest allie...along with Megan.
He has done well to turn them all around (although I don't think some of them trust him)
Tiff isn't stupid...she's playing along with his game.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He said "she's got to go...." Let's remember he was head honcho for the first few days and thought he ran the Gaff...

I seem to remember a whole group of them huddled around saying how petrified they were how they couldnt stay in the house (ring led by gemma if I recall) and then he said 'well then we either go or she does' basically

It was misjudged for sure but he was a mouthpiece for a group decision and he was also one of the first to offer an olive branch and include her back in the group.

If memory serves the worst most vocal ones saying how they couldnt stand living with her were gemma kristina chris and daniella

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Tiff had him sussed...remember the convo in the bathroom. She had to then become his biggest allie...along with Megan.
He has done well to turn them all around (although I don't think some of them trust him)
Tiff isn't stupid...she's playing along with his game.

Are we watching different shows...

That convo was ridiculous, he basically played along to wind her up a bit, he doesnt have a game... he knows he cant win, and after that she realised I think hes just some guy and it was actually gemma causing most of the s**t as from that point she slowly removed herself from gemmas ass and is now actually standing up to her. It was and always has been gemma causing 90% of the crap in there with her snide remarks and winding others up then standing back watching the carnage

Like the whole steph jeremy daniella thing wasnt an issue at all until she stuck her fat hoof in and made it an issue then kept winding daniella up she literally caused that rift between steph and daniella and I think Tiff saw it slowly.

[hot2go]

John placed himself between a grieving old woman and an aggressive young woman who was out of control.....he deserved a round of applause.....he'd made a promise to Angie to look after her and keep things calm in the house .....he deserved a round of applause.....Now I know that Tiffany isn't exactly the brightest lamp in the street but even she is able to reflect on that whole mess and realise that John behaved impeccably.
Anyone who thinks differently don't share the same opinion as Tiffany on the subject.