[arista]

[ITV has also secured two live programmes to be broadcast
in the second week of June. The first will feature
Mr Cameron and UKIP leader Nigel Farage. 7th June
The second will include other politicians putting
their arguments on both sides of the EU debate. 9th June
The cast list for a BBC debate is as
yet unclear, at this time.]


[David Cameron and Michael Gove
will face questions from journalists
and the public during the programmes.
The hour-long event will be broadcast
on Sky News at 8pm on 2 June,
three weeks before the 23 June referendum.
On 3 June, also at 8pm, Justice Secretary
Michael Gove, who is among those
spearheading the Vote Leave campaign,
will be questioned.]


http://news.sky.com/story/1694517/ca...ws-on-sky-news

[joeysteele]

I am not a supporter of Nigel Farage but I do admire and respect enormously his never changing position as to his view of the EU and leaving the EU.
So I am glad he is being given this high profile lead as to representing the no side, since really without Nigel Farage, there would never have likely been a EU referendum at all.

At least his sincerity and commitment to the issue cannot be justifiably questioned unlike the turncoats of the likes of Boris Johnson who are using the referendum to achieve further ambitions,not really about the EU at all.

Equally Gove is a good choice for the other one.
My guess is the PM will slay all that come against him on the EU anyway and hopefully the voters will see that the PM,on this issue, is guiding them on the right and better path to stay on.

[bitontheslide]

I don't honestly see the point of the debates if its just going to re-hash the same old crap over and over again. We have had months of "debate" already with no-one addressing the fundamental issues. I think it will be a complete waste of time.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I don't honestly see the point of the debates if its just going to re-hash the same old crap over and over again. We have had months of "debate" already with no-one addressing the fundamental issues. I think it will be a complete waste of time.

It is actually questions that spoil these debates.
They are left disappointing because of the right questions not being asked or deemed not worthy of time to be.

If you have 2 speakers,have them make their presentations uninterrupted,then a period where they challenge each other.
With then the audience asking on the spot questions, not prepared ones, as to anything not covered by the 2 speakers.

These things when staged come across as false and as you say little is learned at all that is new, or often even relevant.

[Kizzy]

Remember the 'debates' in Leeds before the election, the one with the tory plants? My guess is it'll be a bit like that.

[billy123]

The debates could be great but rarely are.
With this debate i would like to see each side of the fence give 5 reasons why they think to leave/stay would be better but with a right to question each point in between.

i.e. to stay reason 1: because (insert whatever) .questions asked by to leave and replied to by to stay.
to leave reason 1: becaue (insert whatever) .questions asked by to stay and replied to by to leave.
repeat x5

Otherwise it just becomes a who is the most shiny well polished media friendly speaker excercise which has fluff all to do with actual policy.

I also have no interest in listening to an audience opinion. The real audience are sat at home they dont need studio audience input that is too open to manipulation by the media.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Remember the 'debates' in Leeds before the election, the one with the tory plants? My guess is it'll be a bit like that.

Sneaky

[LeatherTrumpet]

whilst this will be fun to watch there is not way in hell the vote will be to leave

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

whilst this will be fun to watch there is not way in hell the vote will be to leave

Have you decided yet?
I havent.

[bitontheslide]

So many egos involved in this, its shameful .....

Vote Leave is considering legal action after ITV decided to put Nigel Farage up against David Cameron in an EU referendum TV special.

The official Leave campaign had wanted one of its senior figures - Michael Gove or Boris Johnson - to take part and claimed No 10 had "set the rules".

ITV rejected claims of a "stitch up", while Mr Farage, UKIP leader, said Vote Leave should "put their egos aside".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36273499

[billy123]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So many egos involved in this, its shameful .....

Vote Leave is considering legal action after ITV decided to put Nigel Farage up against David Cameron in an EU referendum TV special.

The official Leave campaign had wanted one of its senior figures - Michael Gove or Boris Johnson - to take part and claimed No 10 had "set the rules".

ITV rejected claims of a "stitch up", while Mr Farage, UKIP leader, said Vote Leave should "put their egos aside".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36273499

It is media influece however you look at it. Decisions on who should be representing their point of view on tv should be made by each leave/stay campaign not a media company.

I dont know who ITV would prefer to win but i do know their primary reasoning will be tv ratings which is not in the public interest just their own interest.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by bobnot

It is media influece however you look at it. Decisions on who should be representing their point of view on tv should be made by each leave/stay campaign not a media company.

I dont know who ITV would prefer to win but i do know their primary reasoning will be tv ratings which is not in the public interest just their own interest.

The moment the debate is shown on a media channel, it is influenced by the media, I've never been comfortable with these "debates"

I do agree that the official representative should put forward who they want for the debate if its an official debate. This is clearly not that though, its just a TV show.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So many egos involved in this, its shameful .....

Vote Leave is considering legal action after ITV decided to put Nigel Farage up against David Cameron in an EU referendum TV special.

The official Leave campaign had wanted one of its senior figures - Michael Gove or Boris Johnson - to take part and claimed No 10 had "set the rules".

ITV rejected claims of a "stitch up", while Mr Farage, UKIP leader, said Vote Leave should "put their egos aside".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36273499

How can they pit the other two against cameron? They are from his own party, wouldn't that just lead to speculations of massive rifts and leadership challenges that would deflect from the issue.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How can they pit the other two against cameron? They are from his own party, wouldn't that just lead to speculations of massive rifts and leadership challenges that would deflect from the issue.

The electoral commission thingy designated vote leave as the official representative for the out campaign. If they are not allowed to choose who represents them in a debate, then the debate can't be designated official. If its not an official debate, and it gets shown on television during the pre-referendum period, then it risks violating the rules of fairness around voting.

Its an interesting one for sure

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The electoral commission thingy designated vote leave as the official representative for the out campaign. If they are not allowed to choose who represents them in a debate, then the debate can't be designated official. If its not an official debate, and it gets shown on television during the pre-referendum period, then it risks violating the rules of fairness around voting.

Its an interesting one for sure

I'd say one of the rules is they can't put two members of the same party together, what's wrong with farage doing it anyway? isn't this his thing as an MEP?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'd say one of the rules is they can't put two members of the same party together, what's wrong with farage doing it anyway? isn't this his thing as an MEP?

well Farage wasn't given official blessing to lead the out campaign, so he is effectively a concerned citizen the same as you and I ... nothing more

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well Farage wasn't given official blessing to lead the out campaign, so he is effectively a concerned citizen the same as you and I ... nothing more

Then the conservatives have shot themselves in the foot, maybe this issue should have been addressed when they took the official leave position (and the 7 million funding?)

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then the conservatives have shot themselves in the foot, maybe this issue should have been addressed when they took the official leave position (and the 7 million funding?)

See the problem is that the official party will have a message that they want to put out. It may for example down play immigration. That is their right as the official representatives.

If Farage goes on to the debate and starts spouting about immigration, then that could be seen as damaging the official representatives chances of winning the referendum .... I wouldn't want to be in ITV's shoes if that happens

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'd say one of the rules is they can't put two members of the same party together, what's wrong with farage doing it anyway? isn't this his thing as an MEP?

Nothing wrong at all Kizzy in Nigel Farage taking part.

For me he is the one who should be leading the out campaign.
At least when he says anything EU related,you know it is coming from his own experience and sincere determined commitment to the UK leaving the EU.

I don't agree with all he says or his position at present but I will take far more notice of and respect him more than the other turncoats such as Boris Johnson.

[Kizzy]

Yes there was a very generous allowance on offer to lead the campaign, it was always going to go straight back in elite coffers wasn't it? Like most public money.

[MTVN]

Ultimately these things will always seem a bit arbitrary, like with a general election when there's endless debate about which parties are 'big' enough to take part or in America in the primaries where they have to decide which candidates are worthy of a spot on the main televised debate and which take part in the earlier debate which no one watches. ITV are hosting the debate and its their right to pit Cameron and Farage against each other, they're a private broadcaster so have no obligation to anyone surely. Like Joey I think Farage is a perfectly appropriate choice to represent the Leave campaign

[Kizzy]

Are the leave campaign not terrified bojo will just burst into a German rendition of 'Ode to joy'?

[bitontheslide]

I'm sure Farage would be a great speaker, but the out brigade couldn't agree enough to come together as a single entity. So the official leave group are variant 1 and he represents variant 2

There are rules that ITV can't breach as the vote approaches, so they will need to be careful, whether they are a private company or not. Given this event isn't likely to happen again any time soon, one would really expect them to stick with protocol.

[arista]

The BBC are doing one a Wembley Arena
still waiting for them to give more details

[arista]

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