[Vanessa]

I'm not supporting Andy anymore. Jason was there for him when no one else was. Funny how he has forgotten that now that Jason is the one who is feeling isolated. So I'm all for Jason. If he goes I'm not voting. Not keen on the others and Hughie is especially a massive disappointment.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Yet all the time Andy was upset,cried, was down,moped around, everyone saying he was a liar, a snake, a game player, nearly the whole house not liking him Jason was there supporting him, listening to him waffle on about the situation, he didnt let Andy be excluded.

On the humour, i think he has a dry sarcastic sense of humour that not all like this but he has had time now to understand other HM's humours and them him so i dont think they view it has him been above them anymore, they just understand him more.

Andy has cried once and he has NEVER moped around. He has never excluded HIMSELF. He was there for Jason when the whole house turned on him, he had spend all day trying to gee him up and god forbid he enjoy a party and let his hair down just because Jason is being a misery guts. But I guess it's time to turn on Andy to take the bad look off Jason.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

Andy has cried once and he has NEVER moped around. He has never excluded HIMSELF. He was there for Jason when the whole house turned on him, he had spend all day trying to gee him up and god forbid he enjoy a party and let his hair down just because Jason is being a misery guts. But I guess it's time to turn on Andy to take the bad look off Jason.

Disagree...
Andy has moped around, a lot. He has excluded himself. He sat in the DR moaning about the situation. He sat around for days talking about other HM's and how they dont understand him to Jason.
Jason is moping, i never said he wasnt
I never said Andy couldnt enjoy a party either

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Disagree...
Andy has moped around, a lot. He has excluded himself. He sat in the DR moaning about the situation. He sat around for days talking about other HM's and how they dont understand him to Jason.
Jason is moping, i never said he wasnt
I never said Andy couldnt enjoy a party either

To be fair at the time he was being ostracized from most of house for a long long time...that has to be uncomfy and not a nice place to live in... and now finally he is free to be himself relax and have fun without everything he does and says being brought up by the house...

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

To be fair at the time he was being ostracized from most of house for a long long time...that has to be uncomfy and not a nice place to live in... and now finally he is free to be himself relax and have fun without everything he does and says being brought up by the house...

Yes he was, as i said earlier

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Disagree...
Andy has moped around, a lot. He has excluded himself. He sat in the DR moaning about the situation. He sat around for days talking about other HM's and how they dont understand him to Jason.
Jason is moping, i never said he wasnt
I never said Andy couldnt enjoy a party either

It's funny we watch the same programme and see different things. I have never seen Andy moping around. I have seen him talking about his situation. Two different things. He picks himself up very quickly. He has always kept his sense of humour and didn't let the others bring him down.
He has never excluded himself either. Even when he was being excluded by some there were others he interacted with and sat with. He has always been the same to me.
....And I agree, you didn't say he couldn't enjoy the party.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

It's funny we watch the same programme and see different things. I have never seen Andy moping around. I have seen him talking about his situation. Two different things. He picks himself up very quickly. He has always kept his sense of humour and didn't let the others bring him down.
He has never excluded himself either. Even when he was being excluded by some there were others he interacted with and sat with. He has always been the same to me.
....And I agree, you didn't say he couldn't enjoy the party.

Its no problem to have different take's on things

There was just a couple of things that made me waver about him. Hope i am wrong as i like Andy.

[TT350]

Didn't stop him bitching in the diary room about Jason's accent.

Andy...go do that to his face you untermensch.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Yeah i with you on this.
Jason never once wavered on his support of Andy nor did he vocalise wether he agreed with Andy or not to any other HM he was just there for him. It would be a shame if Andy now dropped the one who has been a big support for him the whole way through.

Maybe you missed when they were choosing who to give immunity to between Andy and Jayne Jason didn't say anything when they were all going for Jayne. It was Jackson who jumped in and gave a very strong case for Andy. Jason said nought.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because Jason might have said something that wasn't shown, just as Andy could have gone into the garden and spoke to Jason during the party and it wasn't shown.
But if edits aren't taken into account, then Jason wasn't there for Andy for immunity. It works both ways.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well if Jason goes this week I was championing Andy for the win,but now I am having doubts

No way I can support Andy now ,I hate sneaks and backstabbers

[TT350]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Simple game playing.
Andy has always looked down his nose at most of them, due to his superior intelligence (his perceived superior ntelligence that is) .
Only one reason he joined in with the party really, to distance himself away from Jason, after hearing the crowd reception, the same way he crawled up his backside when he was cheered

Nail. Head. Hammered.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

Maybe you missed when they were choosing who to give immunity to between Andy and Jayne Jason didn't say anything when they were all going for Jayne. It was Jackson who jumped in and gave a very strong case for Andy. Jason said nought.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because Jason might have said something that wasn't shown, just as Andy could have gone into the garden and spoke to Jason during the party and it wasn't shown.
But if edits aren't taken into account, then Jason wasn't there for Andy for immunity. It works both ways.

I thought Jason had explained all about that to Andy?

[TT350]

If he wins, I can imagine what he'd be thinking.

"God. I'm so intelligent. I pulled the wool over the whole nations eyes. I am simply amazing. Invincible. Jesus, my intellect is a force of nature. I mean, damn that Hawkins mong in the wheelchair is smart but I,... I am all knowing all seeing. Did I create the universe but my intelligence held the memory from me in order to keep me humble amongst mortals?"

No you just outwitted a few fame seeking lunatics with the IQ of a tetley tea bag (used).

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I thought Jason had explained all about that to Andy?

I don't know what you mean Ellen.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by TT350

If he wins, I can imagine what he'd be thinking.

"God. I'm so intelligent. I pulled the wool over the whole nations eyes. I am simply amazing. Invincible. Jesus, my intellect is a force of nature. I mean, damn that Hawkins mong in the wheelchair is smart but I,... I am all knowing all seeing. Did I create the universe but my intelligence held the memory from me in order to keep me humble amongst mortals?"

No you just outwitted a few fame seeking lunatics with the IQ of a tetley tea bag (used).

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't know what you mean Ellen.

I could be wrong but i thought Jason and Andy had a convo about the immune vote?

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Andy has been upbeat all along for me but the younger ones only recognise their own kind of upbeat....Andys made me laugh since day one.

I agree. It could also be that since Lateysha and Ryan left he's been more relaxed.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I do like Andy as well but its rattled me a bit how Andy seems to have forgotten how much Jason was there for him

Me too

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by jet

Andy has cried once and he has NEVER moped around. He has never excluded HIMSELF. He was there for Jason when the whole house turned on him, he had spend all day trying to gee him up and god forbid he enjoy a party and let his hair down just because Jason is being a misery guts. But I guess it's time to turn on Andy to take the bad look off Jason.

i think Andy did what he could for Jason and knew he could do no more, that J had to work it out for himself.

the biggest difference in their situations, as i see it anyway, is that Andy was ostracised by the group and J was there for him - andy talks it out, whereas Jason is choosing to ostracise himself whilst he tries to figure out what he's done. he's a man of great integrity, and he's beating himself up trying to see what he has done 'wrong' so he can face up to it and correct it. he's so wrapped up in that process Andy can't help and has given him his space.

Originally Posted by TT350

Didn't stop him bitching in the diary room about Jason's accent.

Andy...go do that to his face you untermensch.

i don't see that he was bitching about J's accent - he was making his own observations about the brighton accent and how it sits in his own head. besides, most of us have had friends we really like but whose voice, when complaining or down, we can find irritating. that doesn't make A a Brutus anymore than it makes J a bumbling moron.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I could be wrong but i thought Jason and Andy had a convo about the immune vote?

they did

[jet]

Originally Posted by TT350

If he wins, I can imagine what he'd be thinking.

"God. I'm so intelligent. I pulled the wool over the whole nations eyes. I am simply amazing. Invincible. Jesus, my intellect is a force of nature. I mean, damn that Hawkins mong in the wheelchair is smart but I,... I am all knowing all seeing. Did I create the universe but my intelligence held the memory from me in order to keep me humble amongst mortals?"
.

I can imagine Andy saying this in the DR and it being taken deadly seriously. You just don't get him, do you?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jan S

they did

Could you give me the gist of it Jan?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Yet all the time Andy was upset,cried, was down,moped around, everyone saying he was a liar, a snake, a game player, nearly the whole house not liking him Jason was there supporting him, listening to him waffle on about the situation, he didnt let Andy be excluded.

On the humour, i think he has a dry sarcastic sense of humour that not all like this but he has had time now to understand other HM's humours and them him so i dont think they view it has him been above them anymore, they just understand him more.

True

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by jet

I can imagine Andy saying this in the DR and it being taken deadly seriously. You just don't get him, do you?

i've been waiting for the haters to slate him over his ''egotisitcal'' comments about his body compared to alex's

Originally Posted by jet

Could you give me the gist of it Jan?

i think it's where jason was telling andy that if he'd had any sense he'd not have voted to give andy immunity since he saw andy as more of a threat to his own chances of surviving in the house than jayne, but then he decided it didn't matter and he went with his heart over his head even if it meant he'd just shot himself in the foot. basically wanted to do what felt right rather than what was in his own best interest.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Exactly this ellen,funny how people overlook things that happened like the lovely hug Jason gave Andy when no one else wanted to know him, when it was Andy who felt ostracised and isolated, it was Jason who stood in his corner

Now the roles are reversed and Andy finds himself welcomed to the fold, whilst Jason is the one who is alone ,and look what happens,


I like Andy,but wasn't so keen on him forgetting what a good friend Jason has been

Also true

Andy is playing the game now.Getting in with the group while poor old Jason gets left hung out to dry