[Cal.]

He's ruined it for himself.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I know I'm gutted for him

Me too, Cherie. I'm hoping that one of the housemates he listens to will have a chat with him, as sometimes he only seems to recognise he is being used when someone else points it out to him. He does seem to then take things onboard and address his behaviour. He is just too easily led and manipulated, and I hate it that cruel and insensitive people find it acceptable to take advantage of that.

Sadly, Heavy hasn't done himself any favours here, much to my dismay.

[Garfie]

[QUOdTE=parmnion;8914790]They were all voting him before this amyway, just hope the public dont judge him too harshly...and i hope bb air his apology.[/QUOTE]

Yes, hopefully he can bring it back.

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Exactly! I don't know why anyone hasn't done this, and destroyed their ciggies too, so far! That would hit them where it hurt and make them think twice.

Very true, that said i doubt any of them has the courage to do such a thing. Perhaps only Renee or possibly Aubrey.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Katie should empty the bottles of alcohol very calmly down the drain, hit them where it hurts, and tell them every time they make a mess the alcohol will be forfeited

But she won't will she

If Katie did that she would go up my estimation.....the fact that lot never retaliate is more tactical than anything but is extremely boring .....what person on this forum would just lie back and keep taking it on the chin ? I mean, c'mon, I can't imagine anyone on here putting up with it...I certainly wouldn't, it's pathetic

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by caprimint

He's just desperate to fit in. Like why he ate the cake when they teased him with it. He's got very little self control.

I agree, and they know that, sadly.

[billy123]

Katie is back in the house
Where has she been hiding i forgot she existed.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Stevep

Very true, that said i doubt any of them has the courage to do such a thing. Perhaps only Renee or possibly Aubrey.

Or someone who is driven to breaking point and has had enough....hopefully.

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by hot2go

If Katie did that she would go up my estimation.....the fact that lot never retaliate is more tactical than anything but is extremely boring .....what person on this forum would just lie back and keep taking it on the chin ? I mean, c'mon, I can't imagine anyone on here putting up with it...I certainly wouldn't, it's pathetic

Not everything comes down to tactics. It's basic knowledge that we are all built differently and that certain people, principally it seems those in Renee's group, just don't have enough courage to stand up for themselves, particularly when it comes to standing up to such domineering figures such as Bear. I agree though that anyone that does decide to do it would win plenty of votes.

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Or someone who is driven to breaking point and has had enough....hopefully.

Hopefully.

[azi]

Katie's era is coming

[jet]

Originally Posted by Garfie

"Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!

For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor?

[Ellen]

Maybe he thinks with the public not voting Bear out they like all the pathetic childish does he does so he's doing in the hope of been popular on the outside

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor?

Yep, she didnt say anything to Bear, if she did it wasnt shown but like you say, Heavy is an easy target.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Stevep

Not everything comes down to tactics. It's basic knowledge that we are all built differently and that certain people, principally it seems those in Renee's group, just don't have enough courage to stand up for themselves, particularly when it comes to standing up to such domineering figures such as Bear. I agree though that anyone that does decide to do it would win plenty of votes.

People who don't have the strength of character to stand up for themselves shouldn't go on Big Brother IMO...you're right that not everyone has to shout and scream but some of this lot don't even voice an opinion or have a sense of humour with the ones they do get along with. If someone poured food over Sam Fox kitchen at home she would not just let them...if someone made a cocktail in Ricky's garden with all the coffe he wouldn't say nothing....they are not being real and that is tactical.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by hot2go

People who don't have the strength of character to stand up for themselves shouldn't go on Big Brother IMO...you're right that not everyone has to shout and scream but some of this lot don't even voice an opinion or have a sense of humour with the ones they do get along with. If someone poured food over Sam Fox kitchen at home she would not just let them...if someone made a cocktail in Ricky's garden with all the coffe he wouldn't say nothing....they are not being real and that is tactical.

Yes but if someone did that in your own home there is no camera's to see you slap the crap out of someone for trashing your kitchen!

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Garfie

"Meanwhile in the garden, Bear encouraged Heavy and laughed to Lewis and Marnie: "He's in self destruct mode."

Oh, Heavy D, why do you do it? Just when you realised you were being used by the twat-rats, you've got sucked into it yet again.

Bear has latched on to Heavy since the eviction of Chloe, and he and his crowd are yet again taking advantage of Heavy's naivety, and setting him up.

Heavy, no!

I agree. Heavy should have known better than to go along with the so aptly named twat rats.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jet

For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor?

I wish he hadn't done it, but that's a really good point and you're so right, Jet- I hadn't really considered that.

After reading your post, I now think, without realising it, she has directed all of the anger and frustration she feels towards Bear at Heavy as he is a safe and easy target.

She needed to let it out, and unfortunately he provided her with the ideal opportunity. I wish he hadn't.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

For goodness sake Heavy, NO!

So Katie loses it at Heavy, the easy target, for doing something juvenile ONCE, but I've never seen her losing it at Bear, who repeatedly wastes food and acts like a cretin. I wonder did she go off on HIM about the tomato soup on the floor?

Great point Jet, Heavy gets the brunt if the grief in there

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Now that's a read

Indeed. I thought he was in his thirties, maybe. 43 is way too old to be acting like that. He could be Bear's father, just about; he really shouldn't be his performing gorilla.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I agree. Heavy should have known better than to go along with the so aptly named twat rats.

I know the popular term is the 'Rat Pack', Jenny, but I personally can't refer to them in that way, as the connotations are more positive than I believe they deserve. Hence, to me, they have become the twat-rats!!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I wish he hadn't done it, but that's a really good point and you're so right, Jet- I hadn't really considered that.

After reading your post, I now think, without realising it, she has directed all of the anger and frustration she feels towards Bear at Heavy as he is a safe and easy target.

She needed to let it out, and unfortunately he provided her with the ideal opportunity. I wish he hadn't.

Yes, I wish he hadn't too. Bear encouraged him for his own agenda, and it seems there was drink involved too, so I think it will be a one - off. Heavy does tend to take criticism on board and try to rectify his behaviour.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Yes but if someone did that in your own home there is no camera's to see you slap the crap out of someone for trashing your kitchen!

But the cameras are the key to how this thing works....take Katie for example, she's come up from the back of the race to a front position for finally being real and speaking her mind.....she's wasnt abusive or slapping anyone but for once she wasn't being totally passive..
I would say the big advantage of the cameras is that unlike real life, they can vent what they think to someone anyway they like and there are security guards on site 24/7 to protect them.
I have to agree with Lewis when he advised her that to get to the final in this particular Big Brother she needs to show more of that side of her personality.....he's such a patronising prick but he was correct when he said that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Katie going into her American mode

[Stevep]

Originally Posted by hot2go

People who don't have the strength of character to stand up for themselves shouldn't go on Big Brother IMO...you're right that not everyone has to shout and scream but some of this lot don't even voice an opinion or have a sense of humour with the ones they do get along with. If someone poured food over Sam Fox kitchen at home she would not just let them...if someone made a cocktail in Ricky's garden with all the coffe he wouldn't say nothing....they are not being real and that is tactical.

Yes, some may be playing it tactically somewhat but you can't keep mentioning tactics in a bad light if you are a fan of Bear who is clearly playing a game and has admitted as much. Btw, i don't believe the example you've used really stands up as an example of tactics, it's quite clear that you'd react differently if someone was behaving like that in your own home with your own personal possessions.

Going back to my original point, Katie has stood up for herself here but it's worth noting that it's Heavy in the firing line and not Bear, why? Well my opinion would be, as i said earlier, each and every individual has a different level of confidence and Katie quite clearly feels confident enough to confront Heavy for being wasteful but not Bear when he had been. That in itself proves to a degree that it's not always tactical when certain people stand back but more so down to the level of courage they possess.