[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Dezzy? That pussy cat! Putty in my hands mate, putty in my hands

Not a bear fan though. Not a bear fan whatsoever

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've got Niamh in my pocket and I'm working on Vicky. Dezzy's been getting a little shaky though, one to watch there . Thankfully they'll never figure out my nefarious scheme.

If you have neem in your pocket then expect her to rip off your bollocks and stuff them so far down your throat you will need to darn both socks

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you have neem in your pocket then expect her to rip off your bollocks and stuff them so far down your throat you will need to darn both socks

Personal experience LT?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Personal experience LT?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

This too can be said of many religious people.

it can be said of loads of idiots regardless of religion

[the truth]

gervais as always ignores the billions christian churces raise for the poor and impoverished the missionary work across the planet, the hope and inspiration they provide to billions, the food, the shelter, the spiritual nourishment....this of course doesnt sell newspapers at the daily mail

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

...this really, it's the person themselves and their leaning to how they want to interpret, rather than a faith or religion itself ...if someone is prejudice/intolerant/judgemental/hate-filled etc...they would be that anyway, regardless of whether they had religion in their lives or not because it's just them and their focus in life and in their hearts and the same with the opposite as well..people are not good people because of a religion and being 'Christians' or anything, they're just good people regardless, who happen to have a faith ....'God says I need to hate these people' is just a need to find a justification for hate....but that 'justification' would always be something...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by the truth

gervais as always ignores the billions christian churces raise for the poor and impoverished the missionary work across the planet, the hope and inspiration they provide to billions, the food, the shelter, the spiritual nourishment....this of course doesnt sell newspapers at the daily mail

same could be said of any charity, nothing to do with religion specifically

some humans like doing good as it makes them feel good

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I prefer Niamh though

10 more brownie points for TS

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

10 more brownie points for TS

Not TS coming for Marsh's BP crown in a late unexpected bid

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not TS coming for Marsh's BP crown in a late unexpected bid

Marsh has been slacking off lately

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

10 more brownie points for TS

Deduct 20 for plagiarising my post, adding a few words of his own and passing it off as his own

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Marsh has been slacking off lately

Iv never heard it called slacking off, must be an irish term

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

The violence happens when you create a fictional all powerful being that supersedes human law and scientific knowledge and then use that to justify murder. Telling children that this being is real is the real crime

No one is killing people and shouting Kate Lawler is Great

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

Absolutely there's been loads of good done under the name of Religion but equally it has been horrendously abused. Speaking specifically for what the Catholic church did in Ireland, the abuse of their power here was unforgivable, thankfully we're finally shaking it off now (although not 100% there yet)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Deduct 20 for plagiarising my post, adding a few words of his own and passing it off as his own

It's not plagiarism Cherie, we must just think along the same lines I guess.

I didn't read your post.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The violence happens when you create a fictional all powerful being that supersedes human law and scientific knowledge and then use that to justify murder. Telling children that this being is real is the real crime

No one is killing people and shouting Kate Lawler is Great

Not the best analogy tbh but if someone did, would you blame the producers of Big Brother or the person who did the killing?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Not the best analogy tbh but if someone did, would you blame the producers of Big Brother or the person who did the killing?

Trick question; people would find a way to blame Bear.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Trick question; people would find a way to blame Bear.

Jim's Fault

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not plagiarism Cherie, we must just think along the same lines I guess.

I didn't read your post.

So you only read Niamh's post in a post where she quoted me? How bizarre



Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherie
With or without religion human being will still want to **** on one another power, money and status and wanting control are Gods for a lot more people than Religious Deities.

Yeah, Power really is the root of all evil, organised religion (in my humble opinion of course) is just a tool that humans used to gain power over people, if that goes no doubt something else would replace it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

My thoughts exactly. When people claim that religion causes problems, whilst at the same time saying they aren't religious, there's something that doesn't quite add up there. Because if you're basically saying that religion is man made, but you blame the religion instead of the man for the associated problems, that doesn't make any sense to me. How can a religion tell a man to act violently, if it's the man that has created the religion? Violence or social problems etc that are related to religion... it's essentially just humans being cruel to each other and well, like has been said, take religion out of the equation and we'd just find another excuse to attack each other. It's human nature. The way I see religion (and I'm massively oversimplifying it but) is essentially like a social group, and targeting the group as a whole for problems contained within it and laying blame on the religion itself instead of the people is superfluous. (It also ignores/undermines all the positive aspects of religion which although I'm not religious myself, I do think exist.)

Agree with all that Jamie

[jaxie]

Very interesting monologue from Ricky Gervaise. I agree with a lot of what he says.

I used to work with a woman who was a church attendee and it came in a conversation once in a group at work that I wasn't a believer. I didn't care that she went to church and wanted to believe if it gave her comfort but she cared very much that I didn't believe and often made an issue of it to me. Odd really.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Not the best analogy tbh but if someone did, would you blame the producers of Big Brother or the person who did the killing?

In the religious setting both the religion that teaches children that superhuman beings exist and heaven exists and the idiots who murder believing it are equally culpable

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Very interesting monologue from Ricky Gervaise. I agree with a lot of what he says.

I used to work with a woman who was a church attendee and it came in a conversation once in a group at work that I wasn't a believer. I didn't care that she went to church and wanted to believe if it gave her comfort but she cared very much that I didn't believe and often made an issue of it to me. Odd really.

My wife has a friend who is very religious - more religious, it turns out, than we thought for years. We knew she was a believer etc. but thought it was in a more casual way, but have realized over the years that she's actually full-on God Squad (my wife helped the family to move house recently, along with a number of "Church people", and after they were all done and having tea in the kitchen... the conversation immediately turned to how awesome God and Jesus are ).

But yes, she has recently started admitting that she "worries about" us and her other non-religious friends... like actively gets upset sometimes about the fact that we won't get into heaven. Which I suppose is nice 'n' all but... please.