[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one is using it as anything other than illustrative but did you note that in 2015 66% lied about their age

You just cannot take what they say as true

..but you can take the words of the Head of Europol as true, isn't that what you believe LT.../those are the words that you hold store by...


But he insisted that claims terrorists are using the migrant crisis to sneak into Europe disguised as asylum-seekers have been exaggerated.
‘There is no concrete evidence terrorists are systematically using the flow of refugees to infiltrate Europe,’ he said.*

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but you can take the words of the Head of Europol as true, isn't that what you believe LT.../those are the words that you hold store by...


But he insisted that claims terrorists are using the migrant crisis to sneak into Europe disguised as asylum-seekers have been exaggerated.
‘There is no concrete evidence terrorists are systematically using the flow of refugees to infiltrate Europe,’ he said.*

Sadly I think that was said before the Brussels incident that killed 31

"At least three of the terrorists who took part in the March 22 attacks in Brussels were “refugees” who entered Europe via Greece and the Balkans route, the Greek government has confirmed."

http://newobserveronline.com/brussel...ee-terrorists/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sadly I think that was said before the Brussels incident that killed 31

"At least three of the terrorists who took part in the March 22 attacks in Brussels were “refugees” who entered Europe via Greece and the Balkans route, the Greek government has confirmed."

http://newobserveronline.com/brussel...ee-terrorists/

...that link doesn't work LT but you posted the article because you felt it's relevance and that his words had weight that should be trusted and his words being something you yourself had belief in...I'll leave you to your thread LT and bow out...you tend to make threads that pose questions to what people's thoughts are but you then dismiss any thoughts an opinions that don't concur with your own so not really inviting a discussion at all..../rather just encouraging of scaremongering and picking up of pitchforks in outrage.../also something you seem very selective in as well...

[bitontheslide]

This thread is just a reflection of various points of view, all of which are valid.

There is a dilemma, do we lean on the side of compassion, or do we lean on the side of caution. Both have their benefits, but they are entirely subjective. Thats why we have rules and procedures, so that we can be consistent and fair at all times.

If people are allowed to enter legally, that don't meet the rules, then we need to tighten up our checks, if not .. then its carry on as you were.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yet in the year to September 2015, two-thirds of child asylum seekers in Britain whose age was disputed by officials – according to latest Home Office figures – were found to be adults."

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one is using it as anything other than illustrative but did you note that in 2015 66% lied about their age

You just cannot take what they say as true

Two thirds of those whose age was disputed were lying, I'd presume that those who weren't disputed were clearly children, and I think it was approx 1 in 5 that were disputed? (not sure on that exactly but it's around that figure) so it would be somewhere around 15% that were lying. That's still a high percentage of course (although it becomes much smaller if you start discussing 'all migrants' not just 'child migrants'), but I thought I'd point it out anyway to highlight the fact that depending on the source, you just cannot take what they say as true

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Two thirds of those whose age was disputed were lying, I'd presume that those who weren't disputed were clearly children, and I think it was approx 1 in 5 that were disputed? (not sure on that exactly but it's around that figure) so it would be somewhere around 15% that were lying. That's still a high percentage of course (although it becomes much smaller if you start discussing 'all migrants' not just 'child migrants'), but I thought I'd point it out anyway to highlight the fact that depending on the source, you just cannot take what they say as true

it only takes one liar to kill hundreds or rape a child

We must be very, very careful

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it only takes one liar to kill hundreds or rape a child

We must be very, very careful

Urgh

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Withano

Urgh

agreed, its a horrific thought

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

agreed, its a horrific thought

Horrific mindset. Besides, its the white men in suits who are historically the most evil. These refugees could be a good influence on us.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Withano

This is a computers take on Englands under 17 squad

It thinks #3 is a woman

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My question is... who WOULDN'T be seeking the best life for themselves and for their family? I know that's separate to the actual practicalities of it - obviously there is a limit to what is feasible - but still... the accusations that fly around seem to suggest that people seeking access to the country are somehow "immoral" for seeking it, which is, of course, nonsense. If this country was to crumble tomorrow, you can bet your arse that I would
be trying to get myself and my family not only to the first safe place, but to somewhere that we could actually build a life. And there's not a lot I wouldn't be willing to "lie about" to make that happen .

And do you think you and your family and your economic well being should take precedence over families fleeing war and persecution? Genuine refugees are the losers here because it seems they are bring shoved to the back of the queue because of young men In the main lying about their age

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe they just had a tough paper round

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It thinks #3 is a woman

Maybe he identifies as one. naughty soldier

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My question is... who WOULDN'T be seeking the best life for themselves and for their family? I know that's separate to the actual practicalities of it - obviously there is a limit to what is feasible - but still... the accusations that fly around seem to suggest that people seeking access to the country are somehow "immoral" for seeking it, which is, of course, nonsense. If this country was to crumble tomorrow, you can bet your arse that I would be trying to get myself and my family not only to the first safe place, but to somewhere that we could actually build a life. And there's not a lot I wouldn't be willing to "lie about" to make that happen .

Also as a serious reply to this thread

this this this

Yes I did a bit of a double take when I saw some of the pictures, some are quite clearly over 17. But they are still people. I can't blame them for lying though it does make me a bit 'what about the real kids' at the same time :S

[LeatherTrumpet]

what is very worrying is

1. We dont even check to see if they do actually have relatives in the UK, yes we dont even check


2. Just think of the actual small children in the camp that are being pushed aside so these Afghans and Pakistanis get here first

[Johnnyuk123]

Migrants show their appreciation and total respect to a local French family.

Youtube video

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Migrants show their appreciation and total respect to a local French family.

and what happened in the run up to that, that initiated it ? Context would be nice

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Migrants show their appreciation and total respect to a local French family.

Youtube video

...wow Johnny..have you read the comments on that...?..those are actually the most hate filled things that I've ever read on the internet, discussing killing Muslims and the methods to do it...I really don't think this video should be on the forum, it's a vid of propaganda to incite hate against Muslims...and the hate is there and clear that it has incited...also that seemed very much to be stirred and incited by activists as well for a political agenda...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...wow Johnny..have you read the comments on that...?..those are actually the most hate filled things that I've ever read on the internet, discussing killing Muslims and the methods to do it...I really don't think this video should be on the forum, it's a vid of propaganda to incite hate against Muslims...and the hate is there and clear that it has incited...also that seemed very much to be stirred and incited by activists as well for a political agenda...

The people are not behaving or indeed do they look like a typical French family, I ought to know, I've been there often enough ... What you say is quite right I think

[LeatherTrumpet]

Well Gary Liniker really made a massive tosser of himself and was flogged alive on Twitter yesterday, steer clear of politics Gary

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well Gary Liniker really made a massive tosser of himself and was flogged alive on Twitter yesterday, steer clear of politics Gary

Yeah stick to advertising walkers crisps. Aldi crisps are better.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...wow Johnny..have you read the comments on that...?..those are actually the most hate filled things that I've ever read on the internet, discussing killing Muslims and the methods to do it...I really don't think this video should be on the forum, it's a vid of propaganda to incite hate against Muslims...and the hate is there and clear that it has incited...also that seemed very much to be stirred and incited by activists as well for a political agenda...

Yes ammi i've seen those nasty comments. Those comments should be removed asap by youtube. But for me nasty comments left by morons is not the story... The story is that this French family was attacked for not supporting this muslim group. 2000 muslim's marched through their hometown demanding money,houses,cars,women etc and because this family held a different view point to theirs they were attacked.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Yes ammi i've seen those nasty comments. Those comments should be removed asap by youtube. But for me nasty comments left by morons is not the story... The story is that this French family was attacked for not supporting this muslim group. 2000 muslim's marched through their hometown demanding money,houses,cars,women etc and because this family held a different view point to theirs they were attacked.

..all I can say Johnny is that it doesn't make sense and the vid as portrayed doesn't ring truth...'of course there was no police in sight'..France is on high alert with police presence and 2000 people or more marched with hostility and destruction through the streets and there was no police presence../it was ignored...it doesn't make sense... and many of those people had their hands raised showing non hostility and showing openness and many were taking pics of the family or whoever they are that were appearing hostile, only phones in their hands...it just doesn't make any sense Johnny to take this on any face value at all...and I do think that the comments are very much part of the story as well because without those comments this would just be a YouTube vid...the hate incited with these propaganda things are very much a part of the story because they show the hate that was intended to incite and make it more than just a YouTube vid..how it spreads, how it grows etc and how it gathers in mobs...


..I honestly despair and feel so sad of how desensitised we can become to these things...we're a nation of compassion..isn't that part of the great in Great Britain, isn't that a big part of who we are...we can feel so much for things like poultry being held in cages, of conditions that animals are kept in and how wrong it all is but we can look into the faces of humans seeking refuge/confined in squalor conditions and feel nothing of the like and just say send them back to the hell they came from../let them die...there are other videos Johnny which will show you balance and another 'truth'...videos of the migrant camps in Calais, of the conditions there, of the people there..of how they've watched friends and family die in trying to find some life quality and value...and yet they'll still take their chances and risk their own lives because the risk at least gives them a chance..really Johnny, those will give you a truth that is very real and that completely but sadly makes sense...

[Johnnyuk123]

Attacks on French locals from immigrants has spiked and is now on the rise.
Demand for guns from French locals is also at an all time high.
This is the reality for many French people right now.

Q:What about their rights to live in a safe country?

Common sense tells you that not all immigrants do this, but this gang brutality is on the rise in France.
Do we seriously think that this appalling and brutal behavior will suddenly stop when they reach the UK?
I don't think so.

Youtube video

[Northern Monkey]

The comments are disgraceful but i don't think the content of the video should be hidden or not allowed.This is the stuff the left wing media won't show us because it goes against their multicultural agenda.There is hours of footage of these migrants and refugees vandalising and being abusive and violent but we don't see any of it in the media.We just live in ignorance to sit and slate the government for being heartless etc etc and anyone with worries and concerns about these people coming over en masse is called racist and xenophobic.This is why the real refugees should be vetted and only accepted from the refugees camps and rehomed.I am all for bringing in genuine refugees but not for uncontrolled immigration which can only encourage terror and violence and also animosity from the host countries and more power the far right extremist parties in Europe.