[Cherie]

An Indian minister who said groping at New Year celebrations in Bangalore was caused by women dressing "like Westerners" has caused outrage.
Reports have emerged on local and social media of women being molested during festivities on Saturday night.
A Bangalore newspaper published photos of women crying and complaining that they had been groped by crowds of men.
Police say they have received no complaints but are scanning security footage for evidence of molestation.
As local media published images of distraught women seeking police help, Karnataka State Home Minister G Parameshwara blamed young people for "copying the Westerners, not only in their mindset, but even in their dressing".
"These kind of things do happen," he said.
The minister's comments have caused anger. National Commission for Women chief Lalitha Kumaramangalam said he should apologise to the women of the country and resign.
The federal government's junior home minister, Kiren Rijiju, described the minister's remarks as "irresponsible".
"We can't allow the shameful act of #MassMolestation go unpunished," he said on Twitter, adding that women's safety was a "must in a civilised society".

[LeatherTrumpet]

i will tweet lily

[Northern Monkey]

He is wrong of course.I think it's probably the case over there that westernised culture is becoming popular but alot of people aren't ready to accept it yet.Religion has always played a huge part over there.

[Cherie]

Not too many posts defending women's rights to dress how they please, how shocking

[Kizzy]

It goes without saying for mehowever due to a culture difference I'm less surprised at the view being held in other areas than here. Until we in our society have ended such attitudes we can't be surprised at hearing of them being voiced elsewhere surely?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-answer.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...imise-men.html

[Livia]

Well, it's India, isn't it. I'm not surprised, considering their stance on rape.

[smudgie]

Wouldn't make much difference how they dress, easy targets for groups of men who feel entitled to do as they please.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It goes without saying for mehowever due to a culture difference I'm less surprised at the view being held in other areas than here. Until we in our society have ended such attitudes we can't be surprised at hearing of them being voiced elsewhere surely?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-answer.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...imise-men.html

True, rape is often unreported because the trial process is cruel to the victims. Their character will come into question, they'll be painted as all sorts and you will get a lot of people who will blame the victims. Not many victims would want to follow up one traumatic event with another in which they are torn apart in front of an audience for being a victim.

It's not surprising to see these kind of views held by officials in India but I am glad that it's caused a backlash. It's a sign of improvement in this area for the country at least but they'll never get a handle on the rape epidemic if members of the government are engaging in victim blaming because that just dissuades people from reporting it to the police.

[DemolitionRed]

It is always the perpetrator and not the victim who is at fault. However enticingly a woman is dressed the rule has to be look but don't touch... unless invited.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Wouldn't make much difference how they dress, easy targets for groups of men who feel entitled to do as they please.

Indeed. I would be pretty nervous as a woman going to India tbh

[Kizzy]

There was a group of men jailed for gang rape and literally thousands of people broke into the jail to kill them....
Therefore I don't feel terms like 'well it's India innit?' are helpful.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There was a group of men jailed for gang rape and literally thousands of people broke into the jail to kill them....
Therefore I don't feel terms like 'well it's India innit?' are helpful.

And that's not a great endorsement of the law abiding there either, is it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It goes without saying for mehowever due to a culture difference I'm less surprised at the view being held in other areas than here. Until we in our society have ended such attitudes we can't be surprised at hearing of them being voiced elsewhere surely?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-answer.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...imise-men.html

Two Daily mail links Kizzy really? I don't see your point nobody is groping these girls are they?

[jennyjuniper]

Lack of self control amongst the men involved is the issue here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And that's not a great endorsement of the law abiding there either, is it?

It demonstrates an attitudinal shift.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Two Daily mail links Kizzy really? I don't see your point nobody is groping these girls are they?

I'm looking at the use of language and the descriptors used in the articles, do they look like they were written in a country where women are equal to men?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It demonstrates an attitudinal shift.

Of course it doesn't. It demonstrates a baying mob.

[Vicky.]

Yeah don't blame it on the perverts who are groping of course, anything but.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm looking at the use of language and the descriptors used in the articles, do they look like they were written in a country where women are equal to men?

Maybe not, but things have still come a long way from where we were. Allowing the mass immigration of cultures who treat women with even more distain and double standards does not bode well for this attitude progressing much further does it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm looking at the use of language and the descriptors used in the articles, do they look like they were written in a country where women are equal to men?

That's not the issue here

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's not the issue here

Why not?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah don't blame it on the perverts who are groping of course, anything but.

Of course, they are the ones to blame wherever in the world they are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe not, but things have still come a long way from where we were. Allowing the mass immigration of cultures who treat women with even more distain and double standards does not bode well for this attitude progressing much further does it.

Do you think women only get raped in developing countries, or by persons from outside the UK?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why not?

The incident happened in India, I very much doubt the women were wearing skimpy clothes ala the Daily Mail article so his comments are aimed your normal everyday westernised clothes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The incident happened in India, I very much doubt the women were wearing skimpy clothes ala the Daily Mail article so his comments are aimed your normal everyday westernised clothes.

You have no idea how they were dressed, have you seen traditional Indian clothing? It's hardly polo neck and jeans.