[Lostie!]

Renewed for a fourth and final season. I had worried that season 3 would be the last and it might end without the chance for a proper conclusion so this is actually really great news. Can enjoy season 3 now with the knowledge it's returning once more next year and getting a real ending

Also, season 3 is premiering in the US on May 19 and will air over 3 consecutive nights as opposed to one weekly. That's new

[Lostie!]

I've just realised something crazy.

Spoiler:

The 12 babies who grew up to become the Messengers, including Olivia and Pallid Man's mother, were created from Olivia's DNA (that detail completely slipped my mind), which means Olivia's mother is also her daughter and they're both their own grandmothers And Olivia is both sister and grandmother to the Pallid Man

And then there's the whole cool time loop with how Olivia's mother's DNA was used to create Olivia, leading to Olivia's DNA being used to create her mother etc.

As I've said before, this show has the most fun with the time travel concept

[Niamh.]

Started Season 2. The whole Cassie personality transplant was a bit odd I thought

[Lostie!]

Her new attitude was a little jarring in the first episode (though I can buy it since some time has passed since we last saw her) but it does become less so as it goes on.

How did you find season 1 on the whole?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Her new attitude was a little jarring in the first episode (though I can buy it since some time has passed since we last saw her) but it does become less so as it goes on.

How did you find season 1 on the whole?

Yeah I really enjoyed it actually

[Lostie!]

Oh good! Yeah there was a lot of skepticism when it was first announced (the combination of Syfy and being an adaptation of a classic movie) but it seems to have been a pleasant surprise for a lot of people.

[Niamh.]

Well i loved the movie and I always find time travel interesting (if a bit confusing)

[Lostie!]

Yeah time travel has always been one of my favourite tropes and I love that this show really embraces the potential craziness of it and uses it to deliver some brilliant twists

I absolutely loved the episode where

Spoiler:

Ramse was stranded in the past and became a member of the 12 Monkeys and we saw various events of the season from a new perspective

Any characters in particular you like / dislike?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah time travel has always been one of my favourite tropes and I love that this show really embraces the potential craziness of it and uses it to deliver some brilliant twists

I absolutely loved the episode where

Spoiler:

Ramse was stranded in the past and became a member of the 12 Monkeys and we saw various events of the season from a new perspective

Any characters in particular you like / dislike?

Yeah that was a good plot twist.

I love Jennifer of course and I like Ramse too and Cole, Cassie is getting a bit annoying

[Lostie!]

Jennifer

My overall favourite is probably Olivia, the 12 Monkeys woman with the short hair. Love Jones too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Jennifer

My overall favourite is probably Olivia, the 12 Monkeys woman with the short hair. Love Jones too.

Olivia? really? I find her and her whispery voice so annoying Jones is getting more likeable as time goes on, I liked the younger Jones too, gave her a bit more depth and understanding I think

[Lostie!]

I LOVE her voice Yeah I always like the mysterious, sinister ones the most, I find her so intriguing.

[Marsh.]

Fourth and final? Is that a good thing?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Fourth and final? Is that a good thing?

A show like 12 Monkeys shouldn't be dragged on for too long imo

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Fourth and final? Is that a good thing?

The showrunners have said in the past they they'd like four seasons to tell their complete intended story and that they've known what the ending will be the whole time so it seems that it's reaching it's natural conclusion. And also season 3 hasn't even aired yet so they gave them the season 4 renewal pretty early which is good too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

The showrunners have said in the past they they'd like four seasons to tell their complete intended story and that they've known what the ending will be the whole time so it seems that it's reaching it's natural conclusion. And also season 3 hasn't even aired yet so they gave them the season 4 renewal pretty early which is good too.

I'm really glad to hear that, I hate when they drag shows out for seasons just because they're popular *cough*Lost*cough*

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm really glad to hear that, I hate when they drag shows out for seasons just because they're popular *cough*Lost*cough*

Yeah I was reading about it and their original goal was 3 seasons but that was later amended to 4 so I'm glad Syfy gave them the fourth season. And I like that they've had plans for the story all along rather than just winging it and seeing how long they can keep it going.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah I was reading about it and their original goal was 3 seasons but that was later amended to 4 so I'm glad Syfy gave them the fourth season. And I like that they've had plans for the story all along rather than just winging it and seeing how long they can keep it going.

Definitely, I don't think you can have a proper ending otherwise especially to a story like this one

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Definitely, I don't think you can have a proper ending otherwise especially to a story like this one

Yeah exactly. And I know ratings for the show aren't exactly huge so I was worried it would be cancelled after season 3 so big respect to Syfy for giving it the chance to tell the whole story. It gets really good reviews so I like to think that factor made a difference.

Did you know the voiceover in the season 2 premiere (the "I want to tell you a story about how the world ends" part) was Madeleine Stowe from the movie? I thought it was Olivia at first

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah exactly. And I know ratings for the show aren't exactly huge so I was worried it would be cancelled after season 3 so big respect to Syfy for giving it the chance to tell the whole story. It gets really good reviews so I like to think that factor made a difference.

Did you know the voiceover in the season 2 premiere (the "I want to tell you a story about how the world ends" part) was Madeleine Stowe from the movie? I thought it was Olivia at first

Oh was it? that's cool

I think some people may be put off when they make a film into a TV series, i know it's put me off watching the TV series of Lethal Weapon for example.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh was it? that's cool

I think some people may be put off when they make a film into a TV series, i know it's put me off watching the TV series of Lethal Weapon for example.

Yeah I know what you mean. I think 12 Monkeys has succeeded because it's a great balance of having references to the movie while doing pretty much their own story. If they tried to do a carbon copy, it wouldn't work because it's two different mediums. Likewise, if they strayed too far and it felt like 12 Monkeys in name only, movie fans would be alienated so I think they took the best approach.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

The showrunners have said in the past they they'd like four seasons to tell their complete intended story and that they've known what the ending will be the whole time so it seems that it's reaching it's natural conclusion. And also season 3 hasn't even aired yet so they gave them the season 4 renewal pretty early which is good too.

Oh good, so it hasn't been axed prematurely.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah I know what you mean. I think 12 Monkeys has succeeded because it's a great balance of having references to the movie while doing pretty much their own story. If they tried to do a carbon copy, it wouldn't work because it's two different mediums. Likewise, if they strayed too far and it felt like 12 Monkeys in name only, movie fans would be alienated so I think they took the best approach.

I'm going to rewatch the movie cos I only barely remember it but I think I might wait till after the TV series end

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Gav has gotten fed up with this already. I still really like it but it's going to take longer to get through now

I was getting like that with it.Started getting bored during season 2 but glad i stuck with it til the end.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by marsh.

oh good, so it hasn't been axed prematurely.

Also found this on Twitter

So it isn't even a case of being cancelled but granted one final season to cram in an ending but rather it seems to be ending exactly when it was planned to. A show neither ending earlier than hoped or going on too long, a rare breed nowadays

There are so many showrunners out there who have the "keep it going as long as possible" attitude which is honestly just annoying and not great storytelling imo, kudos to this show for both having a plan and sticking to it (and Syfy for allowing them to).