[jaxie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39293513

[ebandit]

............let ms fishychops squeal........................

Mark L

[Greg!]

Just proves we're not a "union of equals" then. The democratically elected government of Scotland (with a far higher vote percentage than the tories) denied a referendum and a choice. What a disgrace. It will backfire on her though, support for independence will increase.

[Greg!]

Could you even begin to imagine what the response would have been if the EU blocked the Brexit referendum.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Just proves we're not a "union of equals" then. The democratically elected government of Scotland (with a far higher vote percentage than the tories) denied a referendum and a choice. What a disgrace

Just proves it's not a good time to run two campaigns at once. You have after all already had the referendum and lost the vote.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Could you even begin to imagine what the response would have been if the EU blocked the Brexit referendum.

It's quite funny how it's not seen as the same thing tbh

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Could you even begin to imagine what the response would have been if the EU blocked the Brexit referendum.

The EU blocked the result of Ireland's referendum on the Lisbon treaty. Already happened.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's quite funny how it's not seen as the same thing tbh

It's not like she said never, she just said it's not the right time. We were told it wasn't the right time for any votes on Europe for 40 years. I don't see the point really. At least you got a vote on the Lisbon treaty even though it ended as a betrayal.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The EU blocked the result of Ireland's referendum on the Lisbon treaty. Already happened.

They didn't block the result, they asked us to vote again and we voted yes the second time (I didn't but ya know)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's not like she said never, she just said it's not the right time. We were told it wasn't the right time for any votes on Europe for 40 years. I don't see the point really. At least you got a vote on the Lisbon treaty even though it ended as a betrayal.

Telling the Scots what they can and can't do......like what you all were pissed at the EU for doing.....same thing

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They didn't block the result, they asked us to vote again and we voted yes the second time (I didn't but ya know)

At least you got a vote, we waited 40 years.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Telling the Scots what they can and can't do......like what you all were pissed at the EU for doing.....same thing

Saying not now, isn't the same as saying no you can't. The Scots told us it was once in a generation, not once every two years.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Saying not now, isn't the same as saying no you can't. The Scots told us it was once in a generation, not once every two years.

That was before you decided to leave the EU and split the 4 countries of the UK in two

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That was before you decided to leave the EU and split the 4 countries of the UK in two

Saying not now, isn't the same as saying no you can't.

With regard to the EU we all had a vote, we voted as a union. No one at any time suggested we were voting on the EU as separate countries or regions.

I live in a Tory borough. My borough always votes for them, I don't, but I doubt I'd have much luck in overturning the government based on that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That was before you decided to leave the EU and split the 4 countries of the UK in two

You can't be in the UK and a country in isolation, the Scots voted to stay in 2 years ago, I'd imagine they will get another shot once Brexit is done and dusted, now isn't the time and it's very self serving of Nicola to even try and bring it to the table, no one has time for her whining

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Saying not now, isn't the same as saying no you can't.

With regard to the EU we all had a vote, we voted as a union. No one at any time suggested we were voting on the EU as separate countries or regions.

I live in a Tory borough. My borough always votes for them, I don't, but I doubt I'd have much luck in overturning the government based on that.

But it should be looked at as separate countries rather than the Union because Northern Ireland is going to be effected probably in the worst way because what are we supposed to do, have border with them again? and if so is that going to start up violence again? We're tiny countries (originally one country) on an island and we can't even trade freely anymore because England and wales said so

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But it should be looked at as separate countries rather than the Union because Northern Ireland is going to be effected probably in the worst way because what are we supposed to do, have border with them again? and if so is that going to start up violence again? We're tiny countries (originally one country) on an island and we can't even trade freely anymore because England and wales said so

But it isn't as separate countries that we went into the referendum. No one ever suggested that it was. The Scots had already voted to stay in the Union, we voted as one nation.

That may be in part because no one thought we would vote to leave but we did.

Now it seems everyone wants to cherry pick.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

But it isn't as separate countries that we went into the referendum. No one ever suggested that it was. The Scots had already voted to stay in the Union, we voted as one nation.

That may be in part because no one thought we would vote to leave but we did.

Now it seems everyone wants to cherry pick.

hardly, the campaign for the Scots remaining in Britain was "Better together" and this is what the Northern Irish and Scots wanted by staying in the EU too but clearly better together equals better fall in line with what England wants

[arista]

They can have it
Once we are out of the Corrupt EU
in 2019.

OK Greg.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hardly, the campaign for the Scots remaining in Britain was "Better together" and this is what the Northern Irish and Scots wanted by staying in the EU too but clearly better together equals better fall in line with what England wants

There are plenty of people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland who also wanted to leave the EU.

I'm sorry that some of our neighbours don't like the English much but I don't think that is my problem so much as theirs. I don't bear them any ill will at all.

At the time of the Scottish referendum the EU stated that if Scotland left there was no guarantee that they would be able to remain in the EU. That was when Spain first started to make noises over a veto. We aren't dragging the Scots out of the EU in as much as they probably wouldn't be in the EU had they left the UK.

We all had a vote, we voted as one nation and we voted to leave the EU.

Scotland all had a vote, they voted as a country to stay in the Union and be one nation with the rest of us. I can't be any clearer than that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

There are plenty of people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland who also wanted to leave the EU.

I'm sorry that some of our neighbours don't like the English much but I don't think that is my problem so much as theirs. i don't bear them any ill will at all.

At the time of the Scottish referendum the EU stated that if Scotland left there was no guarantee that they would be able to remain in the EU. That was when Spain first started to make noises over a veto. We aren't dragging the Scots out of the EU in as much as they probably wouldn't be in the EU had they left the UK.

We all had a vote, we voted as one nation and we voted to leave the EU.

Scotland all had a vote, they voted as a country to stay in the Union and be one nation with the rest of us. I can't be any clearer than that.

I have no idea why the BIB is in your post........

Whether Scotland leave or stay doesn't really effect me much I just think it's quite unfair that them not getting back into the EU as a separate country was used as a threat in the first referendum but then a couple of years later they were dragged out anyway and you won't admit that's a legitimate reason for them to have another referendum

Northern Ireland leaving the EU will effect me and my country though

[RichardG]

if i was scottish i would want to know all of the facts as to what being out of the eu will mean before having another vote on independence.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no idea why the BIB is in your post........

Whether Scotland leave or stay doesn't really effect me much I just think it's quite unfair that them not getting back into the EU as a separate country was used as a threat in the first referendum but then a couple of years later they were dragged out anyway and you won't admit that's a legitimate reason for them to have another referendum

Northern Ireland leaving the EU will effect me and my country though

The scots leaving won't affect anyone tbh

I think they will do some fudge of a deal regarding the border in NI

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The scots leaving won't affect anyone tbh

I think they will do some fudge of a deal regarding the border in NI

They're going to have to, it could have dire consequences if not

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no idea why the BIB is in your post........

Whether Scotland leave or stay doesn't really effect me much I just think it's quite unfair that them not getting back into the EU as a separate country was used as a threat in the first referendum but then a couple of years later they were dragged out anyway and you won't admit that's a legitimate reason for them to have another referendum

Northern Ireland leaving the EU will effect me and my country though

The threats about the EU were made by the EU for the most part during the Scottish referendum.

Why do I need to admit something? I thought a discussion thread was about discussing our views on a subject, not having to validate others points of view. I've never personally said the Scot's shouldn't have another referendum ever and I have no political power to make that decision. Though in my opinion the EU stance is a weak, politically motivated tool for the SNP. Sure I would prefer the union to remain, this is my country, it has always been the union during my lifetime, and the past 300 years, well I'm mildly sentimental and I am interested in history, but do I really personally care if Scotland choose to go? Not losing any sleep over it. Am I interested in the politics of the situation and do I have opinions on it? Sure. Do I think the change is a legitimate reason for another referendum so soon? No not really since the EU said independent Scotland wouldn't have been a member anyway last time round. Still not losing sleep over it.

I'm inclined to agree with May that it's not a good time there will be a lot going on with Brexit so I guess Scotland will have to wait it's turn.

If the EU are now willing to have Scotland with open arms, that isn't going to change if they wait a bit longer to leave the UK and find out. If the EU won't have them that isn't going to change either.