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07-05-2017, 10:21 PM | #1 | |||
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07-05-2017, 10:33 PM | #2 | |||
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Depressing, as is the comments section.
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07-05-2017, 11:15 PM | #3 | |||
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Guy in the video is irritating af so couldnt make it past 2:03
But tories will win because they appeal to the chavs, as well as the rich now. Its a strange combo, and it was never their plan, but it works for them. Most constituencies have lots of wealthy and/or chavs so theyll clean up, and we'll sit through 5 years of gross policies
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07-05-2017, 11:27 PM | #4 | |||
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Who are the chavs by the way? I bet I find Owen Jones more irritating than you find Sargon of Akkad irritating. But if I was going to judge and criticise Owen Jones, then first I'd listen to what he had to say. The beef is late on in the video, so if you only had the patients for 2.03, then the only person you're cheating, is yourself or deep down you're just not really interested, but have always got an opinion. |
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07-05-2017, 11:37 PM | #5 | |||
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The Youtube comments are a good example of the chavs that the tories now appeal to. Their fanbase wasnt half this chavvy 2 years ago, its a pattern I've picked up on.. and in my opinion, is one of the reasons that will lead the tories to win the election. Their fanbase has expanded to new areas.
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07-05-2017, 11:43 PM | #6 | |||
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You keep on looking down on and labelling the working class people, if that's what makes you happy. |
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07-05-2017, 11:43 PM | #7 | ||
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After watching a few of Corbyns interviews I sometimes get the impression that he's deliberately trying to lose.Dodging questions on national security,Brexit and immigration is not going to instill confidence from the GBP.Especially not in this election.
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07-05-2017, 11:45 PM | #8 | |||
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To clarify; I dont think all working class are chavs, nor do I think all chavs are working class
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08-05-2017, 12:08 AM | #9 | |||
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I've never voted for any of the main two party's. Neither of them represent me.
But this election is about who is best to negotiate us out of the a EU, and the Tories are the only one to vote for. It's as simple as that. UKIP have achieved what they wanted to do, but they're now finished. So sadly, it has to be the Tories. |
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08-05-2017, 12:17 AM | #10 | |||
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Why did you kick up a fuss over me saying this
When you have said this And this
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08-05-2017, 12:24 AM | #11 | |||
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08-05-2017, 12:26 AM | #12 | |||
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08-05-2017, 12:27 AM | #13 | |||
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I'm asking why you argued against the point I made when you literally describe yourself, and your poitical values, in a way that would suggest my point is correct.
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08-05-2017, 12:40 AM | #14 | |||
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I have no idea whether that answers your question or not, I've had a few beers, and this conversation is confusing me, I don't even know if we're talking on the same lines here. |
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08-05-2017, 12:44 AM | #15 | |||
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08-05-2017, 12:45 AM | #16 | |||
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I suggested that they appeal to both of these populations, and that they didnt two years ago. You're getting your knickers in a twist, sis. You're assuming that I used rich and chav as insults, I just didnt think to rephrase my words for the PC brigade. Read into them however you want.
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08-05-2017, 06:00 AM | #17 | |||
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Sadly you are right Alf this vote is all about Brexit, I just hope the Torys won't get a massive majority although it looks like barring a miracle they will, not sure I will vote, shame there isn't a vote for none of these awful leaders like they do in France
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08-05-2017, 06:39 AM | #18 | |||
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08-05-2017, 06:41 AM | #19 | ||
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The reason the Tories currently appeal to certain more chavvy characters these days, I'm convinced, is simply because of their perceived popularity. Like a self fulfilling prophecy. There are many who, basically, just "like to win". Like to be able to say they are on, or are supporting, the "winning side" regardless of who or what that happens to be. So they will identify the group that they feel certain will win, and throw their support behind that group, just so that they can say "yyaaassss we won you lost we won!" at the end of it all.
I believe in football terms they call these people "glory hunters". People who suddenly declare their undying support for whichever team happens to be at the top of the league that year. |
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08-05-2017, 06:42 AM | #20 | |||
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08-05-2017, 07:10 AM | #21 | |||
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Once again lots of labelling and stereotyping going on most particularly from those who try to claim the moral high ground of the left. Do people even realize how much they are doing this? Or that using derogatory terms like chav is just as bad as using derogatory racist or sexist terms?
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08-05-2017, 07:31 AM | #22 | |||
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08-05-2017, 07:31 AM | #23 | |||
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08-05-2017, 07:34 AM | #24 | |||
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I didn't realise people still used the word chav
Very 2010 |
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08-05-2017, 07:36 AM | #25 | ||
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I'd never support this set of Conservative representatives because,while I am happy to do hard work. I hate with a passion all that's been done and what I've come across, as the heartless robbing from the sick and disabled by this govt. Where sick and disabled,incurable and terminally I'll have had to go to court to win back benefits wrongly taken off them or denied them You may admired that as strong govt,I certainly don't. They will pay multi millions to a French and American company to assess the UKs sick and disabled with the view of forcing people who cannot at this time work,or reduce the benefits they should be getting. Saving a pittance in reality and then likely nothing at all when taxpayer funded court appeals are heard and won,which the vast majority are. A rotten govt that demonstrates how rotten it is by how it treats the weakest,sick and disabled in its society. It fills me with solid sadness and shame. |
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