[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

My thoughts too. I know plenty of Tories - country people - who would be horrified at the prospect of a return to hunting with dogs.

Enough to be sure to defeat it,would you guarantee that.
Because I would say for sure with a bigger majority,it would be won not lost at all.

I'd guarantee and predict that, despite the Con MPs and supporters in principle against it but who would not likely vote against it even in a freevote.

Personally I'd rather not see this woman have the chance to even try to bring it back.
With all going on in the UK right now, that this is even in her mind still to do just builds more contempt from me towards her.

It's barbaric, no decent person would even just think of using power to bring it back.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jeez, bring it back? It really feels like politics and world is going backwards in time these days

I know, i think it was Mark L likened it to bear baiting, in years to come they will gasp that people actually send a pack of dogs after a fox for fun

I used to have a Tshirt that said

For Fox sake stop the hunt back in the day

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I know, i think it was Mark L likened it to bear baiting, in years to come they will gasp that people actually send a pack of dogs after a fox for fun

I used to have a Tshirt that said

For Fox sake stop the hunt back in the day

very clever

Yeah or hare coursing that's horrific as well

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Enough to be sure to defeat it,would you guarantee that.
Because I would say for sure with a bigger majority,it would be won not lost at all.

I'd guarantee and predict that, despite the Con MPs and supporters in principle against it but who would not likely vote against it even in a freevote.

Personally I'd rather not see this woman have the chance to even try to bring it back.
With all going on in the UK right now, that this is even in her mind still to do just builds more contempt from me towards her.

It's barbaric, no decent person would even just think of using power to bring it back.

For once we are in agreement, Joey. I can't imagine what they're thinking...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

very clever

Yeah or hare coursing that's horrific as well

Hare coursing I used to protest about that as well, awful

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hare coursing I used to protest about that as well, awful

I remember when I was in 5th year I wrote an article about banning hare coursing and it got put in the paper

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I remember when I was in 5th year I wrote an article about banning hare coursing and it got put in the paper

I googled my tshirt they have a new variation

https://www.thewildlifestyle.com/pro...nt=26214336455

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I googled my tshirt they have a new variation

https://www.thewildlifestyle.com/pro...nt=26214336455

oh I love it

[Alf]

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

That's not a me having a go at you question (even if it comes across that way) I'm just interested to know why this is such an important issue for some people?

I must admit, I'm more interested in what I'm gonna have for my tea, than this.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alf

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

That's not a me having a go at you question (even if it comes across that way) I'm just interested to know why. this is such an important issue for some people?

I must admit, I'm more interested in what I'm gonna have for my tea, than this.

Are you havin fox butties by any chance?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Are you havin fox butties by any chance?

I was thinking more Fox fingers with chips and mushy peas.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I know, i think it was Mark L likened it to bear baiting, in years to come they will gasp that people actually send a pack of dogs after a fox for fun

I used to have a Tshirt that said

For Fox sake stop the hunt back in the day

I have that Tshirt too Cherie

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

For once we are in agreement, Joey. I can't imagine what they're thinking...

Oh I still agree a great deal with you,I generally get where you come from on issues but many times still,you fire off thought provoking points on issues that make me think and re think.

Really glad we agree on this issue.
It's something I've hated ever since I first came across it.

[armand.kay]

Why would she even bring this up? It's something that I imagine the majority if the British public are disgusted by. Does she want to lose support?

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Alf

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

.....it would make no difference to my life if n korea was nuked off

the face of our earth tomorrow.......................still would not make it right

or not worthy of protest

Mark L

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ebandit

.....it would make no difference to my life if n korea was nuked off

the face of our earth tomorrow.......................still would not make it right

or not worthy of protest

Mark L

Exactly, most "causes" don't effect our individual lives doesn't mean we can't care or be concerned about them. Would be an awful world if we all only cared about ourselves

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly, most "causes" don't effect our individual lives doesn't mean we can't care or be concerned about them. Would be an awful world if we all only cared about ourselves

I thought it already was an awful world?

Life is about surviving the game, we only get one go at it, and it could end anytime.

In reality, there's far bigger issues to be angry about.

You like that cage fighting, that's quite a barbaric sport. Would you join those that tried to ban it, or would you care for your own entertainment.

I'm not having a go at you Niamh or saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to question things.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I thought it already was an awful world?

Life is about surviving the game, we only get one go at it, and it could end anytime.

In reality, there's far bigger issues to be angry about.

You like that cage fighting, that's quite a barbaric sport. Would you join those that tried to ban it, or would you care for your own entertainment.

I'm not having a go at you Niamh or saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to question things.

Some things in the world are awful and some are not, every person only caring about things that directly effected them would surely make it alot worse?

I don't think you can compare MMA to fox hunting though because there is no unwillinging participants in MMA, it's a sport and the competitors are there by choice like boxers and other martial artists

I don't think you're having a go, don't worry

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

I thought it already was an awful world?

Life is about surviving the game, we only get one go at it, and it could end anytime.

In reality, there's far bigger issues to be angry about.

You like that cage fighting, that's quite a barbaric sport. Would you join those that tried to ban it, or would you care for your own entertainment.

I'm not having a go at you Niamh or saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to question things.

The difference is Alf ,humans that do cage fighting make the decision to do it themselves ,animals have no choice.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

What difference does it make to your life, if it's banned or not?

That's not a me having a go at you question (even if it comes across that way) I'm just interested to know why this is such an important issue for some people?

I must admit, I'm more interested in what I'm gonna have for my tea, than this.

It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jeez, bring it back? It really feels like politics and world is going backwards in time these days

This.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.

I agree Livia,whatever is she thinking? I thought she wanted to win,I think this is very dodgy ground she is treading.

[Alf]

I've used this analogy before

If war were to break out tomorrow, you wouldn't even think like this, your only thought would be for your own survival.

We're all selfish, it's just what us humans are.

The fact it doesn't make any difference to my life, means that it's not an issue that I'd be considering, when placing my vote.

[parmnion]

Fox hunting is disgusting but i find most peoples problem is not the cruelty to the fox but more for the hatred for those on horseback.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

It matters to me because I love animals and I don't want to see them unnecessarily tortured. If Fox numbers must be kept down, then they should be kept down by employing a gamekeeper or similar who will shoot the foxes. They're likely to be a keen shot and the suffering is minimal. There is no benefit from hunting with dogs other than some rich people - and it's almost always rich people - get to chase something till it dies of exhaustion, or is ripped apart by hounds. And that's fun for them. Sometimes they cut off the tail of the dismembered fox and rub the blood over their child's face... blooding them. And in order to do all this, they dress up in fancy dress. And it's not like the hounds have such a great life...

I live in the countryside and there are lots of people - not just London blow-ins like me - who were born and bred in the country who abhor the thought of hunting with dogs. The Tories would be insane to reintroduce it.

Fantastic post.
All the valid reasons against this unnecessary and barbaric hunting highlighted throughout.

Post of the thread for me.