[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a difference between showing the strength to admit you're wrong and change what you're doing and suddenly going back on promises because they are no longer convenient for her and changing direction at whim like she's a weather vane.

if only labour had listened and changed many of their endless disastrous policies

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a difference between showing the strength to admit you're wrong and change what you're doing and suddenly going back on promises because they are no longer convenient for her and changing direction at whim like she's a weather vane.

A very big difference indeed Dezzy.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

OR they've thought it through and realise it's not a good thing,have you never changed your mind about anything ? better them do a u turn than stick to something that is unpopular just to save face.

Of course we all change our mind some times but we are talking about a government that are supposed to be leading the country here. Promising something to the public before changing your mind isn't acceptable. Its weak, its wishy-washy and it means we can't trust anything they promise.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

if only labour had listened and changed many of their endless disastrous policies

If you could somehow look into the future and clearly see all of Labours promises had come about and the country had become more stabale and buoyant, would you vote Labour in the next election?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

OR they've thought it through and realise it's not a good thing,have you never changed your mind about anything ? better them do a u turn than stick to something that is unpopular just to save face.

Of course I've changed my mind. Not as frequently as the Tories though, not on topics even half as important, and rarely after publicly sharing my opinion on them. Thats just recklessness.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If you could somehow look into the future and clearly see all of Labours promises had come about and the country had become more stabale and buoyant, would you vote Labour in the next election?

yes

[Shaun]

I could understand U-Turns if they were on smaller positions, but almost everything that's major in our current political climate has something she's either wavered on, or completely changed stance on. Corbyn, whilst surrounded by idiots, appears the more principled person. Imagine electing a Prime Minister that isn't a shouty arsehole. Just imagine!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No snap election --we have one
Rises to NI contributions - oops it was in the manifesto, so U turn
Dementia tax-- looks like a u turn coming up
a Remainer but now wants a hard Brexit
Hasn't included her party in her manifesto hence Ruth Davidson ruled out winter fuel payments cuts in Scotland
Scrapping pledges made in 2015 manifesto which she supported...as a five year plan but 2 years later apparently make no sense

whats the next U turn....single market is my guess

Don't forget

Considering a cap on the dementia tax but refusing to tell us what it is

And

No costings for the manifesto while Tories were criticising Labour before they released theirs

[Alf]

Corbyn has turned more times than Dick Wittington.

[armand.kay]

She's so bloody sketchy. Conservative or not how on can you trust someone who completely goes back on her word in a matter of weeks. I couldn't think of anyone worse to represent us in the brexit negotiations.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

She's so bloody sketchy. Conservative or not how on can you trust someone who completely goes back on her word in a matter of weeks. I couldn't think of anyone worse to represent us in the brexit negotiations.

I know of a man.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

I know of a man.

True, Farage would be disastrous.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

True, Farage would be disastrous.

You're right, he would be. But that's that the one I was thinking of.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

True, Farage would be disastrous.

hes the real saviour not JC ...Jezza santa corbyn

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes

Me too. I'd stopped being a Labour supporter some months back. Corbyn wasn't pushing forward enough with progressive politics. I know the only way we can get out of this stagnation period is to be politically daring and although McDonald is one hell of an economist, I didn't believe Corbyn was gutsy enough.

I understand enough about tax to understand the Tories are playing a game with financialisation (larger privatization for a more costly and poorer service to its end users) and that a government surplus in eight years time is a promise that can't be fulfilled... its illiterate nonsense.

I also understand enough about the central bank and how government borrowing works, to know that when you scrutinize the Labour manifesto it makes neoliberal economics look like scorched earth. Labours plans could seriously grow our economy.

That said, I believe the baby-boomers will keep May in power but the silver lining to that is, Labours fiscal planning is so excellent and so popular, the Tories are bound to adopt some of its policies.

Labours strength in this campaign may be the death knell of neoliberalism as we know it. If we can't have Labour, then at least lets get back some keynesian style economics.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Me too. I'd stopped being a Labour supporter some months back. Corbyn wasn't pushing forward enough with progressive politics. I know the only way we can get out of this stagnation period is to be politically daring and although McDonald is one hell of an economist, I didn't believe Corbyn was gutsy enough.

I understand enough about tax to understand the Tories are playing a game with financialisation (larger privatization for a more costly and poorer service to its end users) and that a government surplus in eight years time is a promise that can't be fulfilled... its illiterate nonsense.

I also understand enough about the central bank and how government borrowing works, to know that when you scrutinize the Labour manifesto it makes neoliberal economics look like scorched earth. Labours plans could seriously grow our economy.

That said, I believe the baby-boomers will keep May in power but the silver lining to that is, Labours fiscal planning is so excellent and so popular, the Tories are bound to adopt some of its policies.

Labours strength in this campaign may be the death knell of neoliberalism as we know it. If we can't have Labour, then at least lets get back some keynesian style economics.

good points

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Me too. I'd stopped being a Labour supporter some months back. Corbyn wasn't pushing forward enough with progressive politics. I know the only way we can get out of this stagnation period is to be politically daring and although McDonald is one hell of an economist, I didn't believe Corbyn was gutsy enough.

I understand enough about tax to understand the Tories are playing a game with financialisation (larger privatization for a more costly and poorer service to its end users) and that a government surplus in eight years time is a promise that can't be fulfilled... its illiterate nonsense.

I also understand enough about the central bank and how government borrowing works, to know that when you scrutinize the Labour manifesto it makes neoliberal economics look like scorched earth. Labours plans could seriously grow our economy.


That said, I believe the baby-boomers will keep May in power but the silver lining to that is, Labours fiscal planning is so excellent and so popular, the Tories are bound to adopt some of its policies.

Labours strength in this campaign may be the death knell of neoliberalism as we know it. If we can't have Labour, then at least lets get back some keynesian style economics.

don't tell Kizzy

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

You're right, he would be. But that's that the one I was thinking of.

Nuttall would also suck yeh

[thesheriff443]

You turns are a sign they are getting it wrong, measure twice cut once.
Conservatives are self harming.
Labour has a leader that supports terrorist's, and would fall in a barrel of titts and come out sucking his thumb.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You turns are a sign they are getting it wrong, measure twice cut once.
Conservatives are self harming.
Labour has a leader that supports terrorist's, and would fall in a barrel of titts and come out sucking his thumb.

That's the phrase of the month

[Black Dagger]

Judging by that Andrew Neil interview...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

don't tell Kizzy

She's repented her sins now and come back to the faith, I forgive all who ask for absolution

[Jack_]

The Tories are having an absolutely disastrous campaign. If I didn't think it were too sceptical, I'd be inclined to believe they're trying to lose to avoid the calamity of Brexit so that they can lay the blame at Labour's feet for another generation.

It's meaningless though and Labour's poll increases are futile, they're still going to win. People will lap up the empty messages recited over and over, and the turkeys will vote for Christmas once again. This is of course without even considering the fact that Lynton Crosby will soon be on the phone to Dacre and Murdoch demanding they start pumping out the IRA and communist crap in a bid to bury him. Be under no illusion, this will be the biggest all-out assault of a Labour leader by the establishment in recent history. We've seen nothing yet.

Some of their proposals are not just awful, they actually frighten me. The cracking down on the internet. ID cards to vote. The dementia tax. Grammar schools. A fox hunting vote. Quietly dropping the ivory trade ban. Not to mention the continued undermining of the NHS. All of these, and I still haven't finished the manifesto - so God knows what else I'm going to find. This demented, authoritarian, power crazy bitch is about to sleepwalk the UK into a dystopian nightmare, in effect a one-party state, and I feel physically repulsed. This country and its people are awful.

I cannot believe I actually miss the pig ****er. I realise people will deride my hyperbole, but I'm serious. In 2015, I was worried at the thought of the Tories winning the election. Now I'm ****ing terrified.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The Tories are having an absolutely disastrous campaign. If I didn't think it were too sceptical, I'd be inclined to believe they're trying to lose to avoid the calamity of Brexit so that they can lay the blame at Labour's feet for another generation.

It's meaningless though and Labour's poll increases are futile, they're still going to win. People will lap up the empty messages recited over and over, and the turkeys will vote for Christmas once again. This is of course without even considering the fact that Lynton Crosby will soon be on the phone to Dacre and Murdoch demanding they start pumping out the IRA and communist crap in a bid to bury him. Be under no illusion, this will be the biggest all-out assault of a Labour leader by the establishment in recent history. We've seen nothing yet.

Some of their proposals are not just awful, they actually frighten me. The cracking down on the internet. ID cards to vote. The dementia tax. Grammar schools. A fox hunting vote. Quietly dropping the ivory trade ban. Not to mention the continued undermining of the NHS. All of these, and I still haven't finished the manifesto - so God knows what else I'm going to find. This demented, authoritarian, power crazy bitch is about to sleepwalk the UK into a dystopian nightmare, in effect a one-party state, and I feel physically repulsed. This country and its people are awful.

I cannot believe I actually miss the pig ****er. I realise people will deride my hyperbole, but I'm serious. In 2015, I was worried at the thought of the Tories winning the election. Now I'm ****ing terrified.

I think you have reason to be terrified Jack_
This woman is authority and power mad.

I'm pleased you mentioned the Ivory trade too, another disgrace.
I've always thought you can judge the heart of people from the way they'd have animals treated.

This woman punishes any weakness and is in my opinion so hardline and heartless that even human beings,seen as weak to her,will have not the slightest bit of any respect shown to them.

[Brother Leon]

It's a complete media myth. She's wobbled and U-Turned way too many times so take seriously when she says that.