[Vanessa]

Those poor people

[UserSince2005]

What the ****. Never seen anything like this before

[Wizard.]

I've never seen something so big in the UK. So so awful

[parmnion]

Mohad

[Cherie]

Terrifying and so angry that people have to live in a death trap like this, one fatality is too many

[joeysteele]

Horrific,really awful.

[Kizzy]

The owners of the building had a similar thing happen in 2015

A fridge?.... nah.

[Toy Soldier]

No one should be packed into places like this is the first place, it's all so completely wrong. And then the people profiting from these places can't even be bothered to implement proper fire safety measures.

Oh and of course they cover the outside of the building with ****ing flammable material in order to make it look more respectable... how can that possibly be allowed? Surely things like that should be safety tested and only fire resistant materials used??

This tragedy should be a prompt to have abundant real housing built, and the rest of these things torn down, before it happens again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one should be packed into places like this is the first place, it's all so completely wrong. And then the people profiting from these places can't even be bothered to implement proper fire safety measures.

Oh and of course they cover the outside of the building with ****ing flammable material in order to make it look more respectable... how can that possibly be allowed? Surely things like that should be safety tested and only fire resistant materials used??

This tragedy should be a prompt to have abundant real housing built, and the rest of these things torn down, before it happens again.

Because... money.
Doesn't look like there were any changes after their last property caught fire.

[parmnion]

Nobody is packed in for heavens sake TS.

[bitontheslide]

Please lets not descend in to political mud slinging on this thread

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Please lets not descend in to political mud slinging on this thread

It's not a political issue at all really (other than I do think political intervention is needed to sort it out)...

But no it's not a party politics issue. These landlords have been thriving for decades under various governments. There's no specific "government blaming" to be done but there IS a problem. Quite clearly.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody is packed in for heavens sake TS.

Hundreds of people living stacked up like Jenga in tower blocks without sufficient safety precautions? Yeah they're fine.

[LeatherTrumpet]

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...ing-with-fire/

from November last year

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one should be packed into places like this is the first place, it's all so completely wrong. And then the people profiting from these places can't even be bothered to implement proper fire safety measures.

Oh and of course they cover the outside of the building with ****ing flammable material in order to make it look more respectable... how can that possibly be allowed? Surely things like that should be safety tested and only fire resistant materials used??

This tragedy should be a prompt to have abundant real housing built, and the rest of these things torn down, before it happens again.

So disgusting how they get away with this, if you have any work done privately, the hoops you have to jump through to get it passed is ridiculous down to things like having extractor fans in a small cloakroom, yet these places are passed as safe, the residents have been raising the health and safety issues of the fire risk nothing done, what a joke

[JTM45]

You're right TS.

Like you said, they've got money to spend on the external fascia (which is being pointed too as the reason for the fire spreading so alarmingly quickly) but, even though they'd been made aware of it, they didn't spend this money on making the block better equipped for fast evacuation in this kind of an event. As long as it looks OK from a distance!
There's stories about lifts not working, there only being a single emergency exit which was frequently blocked with rubbish and there wasn't adequate or timely maintainance done onanything there. It must have been bad for the residents to have to start an action group (see LT's post a couple above this one) to try and adress their safety concerns. And all they did was put some fire safety info (pretty bad info as it turned out!) cards on the walls there.

[Niamh.]

This is horrific, how terrifying for those people

[Amy Jade]

Did anyone see Good Morning Britain with the elderly blind man in his window waving a white sheet to try and get help. Made my blood run cold, I hope as many people as possible are saved

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by JTM45

You're right TS.

Like you said, they've got money to spend on the external fascia (which is being pointed too as the reason for the fire spreading so alarmingly quickly) but, even though they'd been made aware of it, they didn't spend this money on making the block better equipped for fast evacuation in this kind of an event. As long as it looks OK from a distance!
There's stories about lifts not working, there only being a single emergency exit which was frequently blocked with rubbish and there wasn't adequate or timely maintainance done onanything there. It must have been bad for the residents to have to start an action group (see LT's post a couple above this one) to try and adress their safety concerns. And all they did was put some fire safety info (pretty bad info as it turned out!) cards on the walls there.

You would expect that the items you mentioned were subject to inspections and approvals. It doesn't look good, but I want to hear the fire brigade and investigation reports before pointing fingers of blame.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You would expect that the items you mentioned were subject to inspections and approvals. It doesn't look good, but I want to hear the fire brigade and investigation reports before pointing fingers of blame.

A guy talking on behalf of the leader of the Grenfell Action Group on the BBC news just now said that they spoke and wrote to the local authorities addressing their concerns and he saidhe felt they were being treated like vermin and not being taken seriously.
Another resident from the next tower block over (which could be seen on thenews footage) said that they were greatly concerned about the prospect of fires especially of late as Boris Johnson has been pushing for (and suceeded) in getting some of London's Fire Stations closed down in an ill-advised cost-cutting drive.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shaun

This blog was posted in November last year signalling the risks of fire hazard the block posed:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...ing-with-fire/

Capitalism in a nutshell.

What a horrifying sight.

[smudgie]

Council owned tower block.
In case of a fire you are normally advised not to use lifts, so the only escape is ONEstairwell running from top to bottom.
Listening to the people being interviewed this seems to be the norm, how on earth can anybody with half a brain think that the amount of people living in these tower blocks can vacate in time to save their lives.
The stairwell situated to one side and at the front of the building is as much use as a chocolate fire guard if you live at the other side of a building this size.
Health and safety issues need looking at, some serious thought and money needs to go into making these homes safe, right across the country.
The police and fire brigade were there within 6 minutes which is pretty remarkable as the area around the tower block is ridiculously inaccessible due to narrow roads.

[jet]

OMG. This is just horrific.

[LeatherTrumpet]

dozens now fared dead according to the DM

[arista]

6 now confirmed dead.

But they think it could be around 50 dead in the end


That Cladding on the outside was Plastic
the fire loves plastic