[vesavius]

Raph sticks his nose into something involving a HM (Joe) that we all know that they don't get on, and then switches to victim again. Keiren is right, Raph is trying the make himself look like a victim yet again. He is pulling the same instigate and then turn into victim trick that the sisters use as well. It isn't the first time wither. No wonder that they get on. Dishonest snakes, all of them.

I am actually team Joe here, and I don't even particularly like Joe. What a sneaky manipulative **** Raph is. And Andrew is just jumping on his train and feeding him now. Raph's victim moaning and self pitying approach to this is just pathetic, tbh.

And those trying to automatically make out that Joe is 'homophobic' because he doesn't get on with Raph... People need to stop that. There is plenty that is objectionable about Raph past where he likes to rub his junk.

[Vanessa]

The Outsiders have all the best housemates in it. The clique is sinking, even Sam has jumped ship. So no, he doesn't need to do that

[Littlegreen]

What about Joe sticking his nose into the Sam/Tom conversation?

...or immediately after Joe has an argument he runs to the diary room to play the victim?

That not snake behaviour too?

Hmmmm

[T*]

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

What about Joe sticking his nose into the Sam/Tom conversation?

...or immediately after Joe has an argument he runs to the diary room to play the victim?

That not snake behaviour too?

Hmmmm

Joe told people not to get involved in other people's business. But the he does exactly that. Hypocrite

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

What about Joe sticking his nose into the Sam/Tom conversation?

...or immediately after Joe has an argument he runs to the diary room to play the victim?

That not snake behaviour too?

Hmmmm

Indeed, Littlegreen, indeed

[Knispel]

Raph is a duplicate backslider who, on the one hand, claims to not want to bitch about other people and pretends to be the peacemaker whilst on the other hand, bitches about everyone he doesn't like via passive aggression nearly all of the time.
It wouldn't be so bad if he actually admitted he was playing a game to win but, the fact that he unconsciously networks for his own ends makes him the quintessential sneaky scumbag of the house.

[sampvt]

I made a thread on his victim ways just recently, glad everyone is waking up at last.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Raph sticks his nose into something involving a HM (Joe) that we all know that they don't get on, and then switches to victim again. Keiren is right, Raph is trying the make himself look like a victim yet again. He is pulling the same instigate and then turn into victim trick that the sisters use as well. It isn't the first time wither. No wonder that they get on. Dishonest snakes, all of them.

I am actually team Joe here, and I don't even particularly like Joe. What a sneaky manipulative **** Raph is. And Andrew is just jumping on his train and feeding him now. Raph's victim moaning and self pitying approach to this is just pathetic, tbh.

And those trying to automatically make out that Joe is 'homophobic' because he doesn't get on with Raph... People need to stop that. There is plenty that is objectionable about Raph past where he likes to rub his junk.

Excellent post and spot on in all you say

[Vanessa]

Unlike the others he openly admits he has a gameplan. So no, he's not sneaky. It's a game show. Nothing wrong in having a gameplan.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Knispel

Raph is a duplicate backslider who, on the one hand, claims to not want to bitch about other people and pretends to be the peacemaker whilst on the other hand, bitches about everyone he doesn't like via passive aggression nearly all of the time.
It wouldn't be so bad if he actually admitted he was playing a game to win but, the fact that he unconsciously networks for his own ends makes him the quintessential sneaky scumbag of the house.

If he did that he wouldn't win though

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Unlike the others he openly admits he has a gameplan. So no, he's not sneaky. It's a game show. Nothing wrong in having a gameplan.

I agree everyone has a game plan, HOWEVER, the execution of that game plan is what wins or loses votes.

Kierans game plan is quite well hidden and subtle with funny and likable undertones......

Snake boys game plan is full of nasty and unacceptable traits that appeal to a certain type of fan base, but disgusts many members of the normal GBP and morality brigade......

Raphs Victim game might work for some but not for the majority of last night voters

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Raph sticks his nose into something involving a HM (Joe) that we all know that they don't get on, and then switches to victim again. Keiren is right, Raph is trying the make himself look like a victim yet again. He is pulling the same instigate and then turn into victim trick that the sisters use as well. It isn't the first time wither. No wonder that they get on. Dishonest snakes, all of them.

I am actually team Joe here, and I don't even particularly like Joe. What a sneaky manipulative **** Raph is. And Andrew is just jumping on his train and feeding him now. Raph's victim moaning and self pitying approach to this is just pathetic, tbh.

And those trying to automatically make out that Joe is 'homophobic' because he doesn't get on with Raph... People need to stop that. There is plenty that is objectionable about Raph past where he likes to rub his junk.

well said...and I agree with every word.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Unlike the others he openly admits he has a gameplan. So no, he's not sneaky. It's a game show. Nothing wrong in having a gameplan.

He is a nasty character who evidently will tread all over his mates to get the win. its a gameshow yes...but what he is doing is very sneaky.
we all know you hate snakes and he is the biggest snake in there.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Knispel

Raph is a duplicate backslider who, on the one hand, claims to not want to bitch about other people and pretends to be the peacemaker whilst on the other hand, bitches about everyone he doesn't like via passive aggression nearly all of the time.
It wouldn't be so bad if he actually admitted he was playing a game to win but, the fact that he unconsciously networks for his own ends makes him the quintessential sneaky scumbag of the house.

He has always admitted to having a gameplan.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

What about Joe sticking his nose into the Sam/Tom conversation?

fair enough. Like I say, i don't particularly like Joe. This thread is about Raph though, so i am discussing Raph. Feel free to make another about Joe regarding that and I will comment.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I made a thread on his victim ways just recently, glad everyone is waking up at last.

well, not at last, I have been observing this about him for quite a while.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Joe told people not to get involved in other people's business. But the he does exactly that. Hypocrite

Yes Joe is just as hypocritical as the rest of them. I don't think we have ever had a year where so many housemates have no self-awareness at all

[Vicky.]

And yes, Raph seems to be using others to divert attention away from himself.

However, rather than dislike him for this, I find it interesting to watch in action and like hi more for it. But I always like the gameplayers rather than the 'nice' people anyway

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And yes, Raph seems to be using others to divert attention away from himself.

However, rather than dislike him for this, I find it interesting to watch in action and like hi more for it. But I always like the gameplayers rather than the 'nice' people anyway

I love the gameplayers, especially the ones who are open about it like Raph

[LeatherTrumpet]

thing is his "game plan" wont win him a single friend when he leaves of his housemates. No one likes a sneak and a liar

long after he has spunked the cash (if he wins) on teddy bears, cola and playstation games

he will be awfully lonely

Tom is there for the experience and if he wins, fair play

That is a winning attitude

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thing is his "game plan" wont win him a single friend when he leaves of his housemates. No one likes a sneak and a liar

long after he has spunked the cash (if he wins) on teddy bears, cola and playstation games

he will be awfully lonely

Tom is there for the experience and if he wins, fair play

That is a winning attitude

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thing is his "game plan" wont win him a single friend when he leaves of his housemates. No one likes a sneak and a liar

long after he has spunked the cash (if he wins) on teddy bears, cola and playstation games

he will be awfully lonely

Tom is there for the experience and if he wins, fair play

That is a winning attitude

I doubt that. He will come out, buy a load of weed and meet up with half the forum in a caravan for a bitching session that reveals all about what BB is really like

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I doubt that. He will come out, buy a load of weed and meet up with half the forum in a caravan for a bitching session that reveals all about what BB is really like

I want to go on that trip

[Vanessa]

He better invite us all fans