[Brillopad]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0da2c731e8ceb

No prizes for guessing why Labour are so focused on public service workers - as they know that is what will get them votes.

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, stay on topic please or don't post

[LeatherTrumpet]

Its so true, beautifully put by that guy

nailed it

[Toy Soldier]

From the comments:

"Makes me cross listening to his rant putting down the public services and MPs attempts to end the 1% pay cap. He'll be playing a different tune when he falls seriously ill and there's no NHS staff left to help him. I am self employed too but I want to see an end to this pay cap."

Little more needs to be said.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its so true, beautifully put by that guy

nailed it

[Kizzy]

Yep people interested in social policy and public services vote Labour, what's wrong with that?

Here is a poll... (It's a yougov poll btw)

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/...utely-furious/

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

From the comments:

"Makes me cross listening to his rant putting down the public services and MPs attempts to end the 1% pay cap. He'll be playing a different tune when he falls seriously ill and there's no NHS staff left to help him. I am self employed too but I want to see an end to this pay cap."

Little more needs to be said.

It doesnt because its hyperbole

if he falls ill (conjecture)

no NHS staff left to help him (arrant nonsense)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep people interested in social policy and public services vote Labour, what's wrong with that?

Here is a poll... (It's a yougov poll btw)

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/...utely-furious/

There is nothing wrong with that and neither is there anything wrong with disagreeing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It doesnt because its hyperbole

if he falls ill (conjecture)

no NHS staff left to help him (arrant nonsense)

As is the premise of the thread.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep people interested in social policy and public services vote Labour, what's wrong with that?

Here is a poll... (It's a yougov poll btw)

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/07/07/...utely-furious/

I wouldn't say that poll is accurate - the Canary isn't a unbiased source, and you have said yourself many times that unbiased sources are useless.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I wouldn't say that poll is accurate - the Canary isn't a unbiased source, and you have said yourself many times that unbiased sources are useless.

It's a yougove poll, I made a point of highlighting that as I was expecting a comment like this.

Is the Canary the only biased source? The express, mail, telegraph or sun aren't I suppose?

[JTM45]

A couple of months ago i woke up to find my right hand/wrist 90% dead and pretty much paralyzed. I phoned the NHS Out of Hours number who, after asking me questions insisted i go straight to A&E which i did.
They had me in to see someone within 10 minutes of getting there. Long story short.
After six weeks of treatment which included x-rays, MRI's, nerve specialists and much more i have most of the movement in my hand/wrist back and all of this was done without a single bill or money demand and that's thanks to our invaluable and irreplacable NHS service. I cannot fault the treatment i received and would certainly never criticize these amazing people.

Incidentally, the problem was something called a 'Saturday Night (or Radial Nerve) Palsy'. Something i'd never even heard of. Luckily they had.
These people deserve far more than they get from May and her bufoons who care little for the normal, everyday people while they exist worry and carefree with their private medical care.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It doesnt because its hyperbole

if he falls ill (conjecture)

no NHS staff left to help him (arrant nonsense)

The point is that recognising the importance of small business, and recognising the importance of the public sector and especially the emergency services, are not mutually exclusive. As much as certain people would love us to believe that you "have to choose one or the other". That's what this angry red-faced gentleman in the audience appears to believe. "You want to look after the public sector so you haven't got a clue about business owners!!"

Because to look after small business owners you have to **** over those who work in the public sector? Hmmmmm.

In fact if he was in any way business-minded, he would realise that more money in the pockets of any normal working person is money in the pockets of his own customers, and therefore good for his business .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a yougove poll, I made a point of highlighting that as I was expecting a comment like this.

Is the Canary the only biased source? The express, mail, telegraph or sun aren't I suppose?

Why do you complain about one paper being biased on one hand and on the other post from another biased source as the 'truth'.

I tend to read a variety of papers and sources, and there is usually some truth in all of them, whether they are right or left slanted. In my above post I was pointing out your hypocrisy really...I'm sure there are elements of truth in the Canary reporting just as there will be in the Express, Mail etc. How do you get a balanced view of politics if you only read what you want to believe and disregard all others as made up? I find that really narrow minded.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a yougove poll, I made a point of highlighting that as I was expecting a comment like this.

Is the Canary the only biased source? The express, mail, telegraph or sun aren't I suppose?

Anything political will always be biased unless there are multiple authors with differing opinions or a single author who has no political opinion, which is unlikely.

Everyone is influenced by their own opinions and to say otherwise would be very naive.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

A couple of months ago i woke up to find my right hand/wrist 90% dead and pretty much paralyzed. I phoned the NHS Out of Hours number who, after asking me questions insisted i go straight to A&E which i did.
They had me in to see someone within 10 minutes of getting there. Long story short.
After six weeks of treatment which included x-rays, MRI's, nerve specialists and much more i have most of the movement in my hand/wrist back and all of this was done without a single bill or money demand and that's thanks to our invaluable and irreplacable NHS service. I cannot fault the treatment i received and would certainly never criticize these amazing people.

Incidentally, the problem was something called a 'Saturday Night (or Radial Nerve) Palsy'. Something i'd never even heard of. Luckily they had.
These people deserve far more than they get from May and her bufoons who care little for the normal, everyday people while they exist worry and carefree with their private medical care.

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Why do you complain about one paper being biased on one hand and on the other post from another biased source as the 'truth'.

I tend to read a variety of papers and sources, and there is usually some truth in all of them, whether they are right or left slanted. In my above post I was pointing out your hypocrisy really...I'm sure there are elements of truth in the Canary reporting just as there will be in the Express, Mail etc. How do you get a balanced view of politics if you only read what you want to believe and disregard all others as made up? I find that really narrow minded.

Once again... It was a poll, a yougov poll, the same pollsters that all papers use.
There is no hypocrisy, I am aware the canary has a left wing bias but I don't care, as long as what they report can be fact checked as a direct quote or such I'm happy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Anything political will always be biased unless there are multiple authors with differing opinions or a single author who has no political opinion, which is unlikely.

Everyone is influenced by their own opinions and to say otherwise would be very naive.

There's the issue, I much prefer to separate fact from opinion.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

All politicians use any issue they can to score brownie points . That's pretty much what politics is.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point is that recognising the importance of small business, and recognising the importance of the public sector and especially the emergency services, are not mutually exclusive. As much as certain people would love us to believe that you "have to choose one or the other". That's what this angry red-faced gentleman in the audience appears to believe. "You want to look after the public sector so you haven't got a clue about business owners!!"

Because to look after small business owners you have to **** over those who work in the public sector? Hmmmmm.

In fact if he was in any way business-minded, he would realise that more money in the pockets of any normal working person is money in the pockets of his own customers, and therefore good for his business .

He didn't say that public sector workers should be ****** over, did he? He said all Labour cared about was the public sector, which is not the same thing at all.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Once again... It was a poll, a yougov poll, the same pollsters that all papers use.
There is no hypocrisy, I am aware the canary has a left wing bias but I don't care, as long as what they report can be fact checked as a direct quote or such I'm happy.

Lefty YouGov and libertarian pale stale male and libertarian lefty and radical feminists left left left and libertarian claptrap trap trap trap trap trap bzzt.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No-one is saying they don't deserve or shouldn't get a decent pay rise, Christ I work in the NHS, but many feel that some politicians are using this important issue to score brownie points.

This isn't west side story, it's not a private v public sector battle to the death.
What else is in danger of being politicised in politics?... You can't criticise the response to tragedy for fear of it, you can't support public services...Just what can you do? Throw money at the DUP and spout random nonsense about brexit? :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

He didn't say that public sector workers should be ****** over, did he? He said all Labour cared about was the public sector, which is not the same thing at all.

And she is saying that based on an opinion piece from the express it seems...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

He didn't say that public sector workers should be ****** over, did he? He said all Labour cared about was the public sector, which is not the same thing at all.

I couldn't really make out what he was saying, to be fair, the clip didn't give much context... it seems like he was ranting a big ol' "But wot about meee! I aint public sector and I want stuff too!!"... in response to a question or discussion that had nothing at all to do with small business.

I guess you could compare it to people coming onto debate threads on here saying "Yeah but what about Corbyn!" or "Yeah but what about Labour in 1999!" when the thread is about something totally different.

Sure they may have genuine grievances, but it's not really appropriate to force another discussion (in this case, much deserved public pay sector rises) off track to push your own agenda...

[Kizzy]

I don't see how it's a genuine grievance, if you choose to work for yourself how can you bleat about people who choose to work for an employer even if the employer happens to be the state?