[lewis111]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Calling 90 % of the American people who voted for him racist scuml'
"
In the same post as 'calling a group of people a burden is disgusting'

You can't write this golden irony..

Trans people have done nothing wrong to trump for him to dislike them though
Trump voters have negatively effected So, so many people's lives. Surely that warrants me to disrespect them

[Greg!]

This is indefensible I cannot believe people are trying to justify this omg.
If it's "funding" that's the issue then why would the army pay for transistion anyway? I don't even think it happens. It's just an excuse for this transphobic disgusting policy.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by letmein

Trying to cause another distraction to shift attention away from all his scandals and crime-ridden cabinet.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Agreed. Just a diversionary tactic.

X3

Perfect timing as his ex campaign manager has been subpoenaed and his son in law is testifying in a private session.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Thanks to all the Bernie Bros and 'Hillary is as bad as Trump' people (even when there was no evidence of malicious wrongdoing)

Bet you feel like right idiots now, you've just voted in a President who is going to actually turn the clocks back on progress.

Don't put it on the Bernie Bros. Put it on the Democraic Party and Hilary Clinton for failing to motivate people enough to vote and taking their vote for granted. Were all Bernie supporters supposed to forget some of the crap Hialry came out with regarding them?

[Black Dagger]

Urgh lgbt icon xx

[arista]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Trans people have done nothing wrong to trump for him to dislike them though
Trump voters have negatively effected So, so many people's lives. Surely that warrants me to disrespect them

Sure
But its really the Generals and Trump

[Jamie89]

It's regressive and short sighted... why am I not surprised

Originally Posted by Greg!

This is indefensible I cannot believe people are trying to justify this omg.
If it's "funding" that's the issue then why would the army pay for transistion anyway? I don't even think it happens. It's just an excuse for this transphobic disgusting policy.

This, it actually doesn't make sense. I guess he could have maybe explained further if he didn't use twitter to announce major policy decisions.

Carter told the Guardian: “What matters in choosing those who serve is that they are best qualified.

“To choose service members on other grounds than military qualifications is social policy and has no place in our military. There are already transgender individuals who are serving capably and honorably. This action would also send the wrong signal to a younger generation thinking about military service.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eople-to-serve

Completely agree ^

[Jamie89]

This is also quite interesting from that article I posted...

"The same study estimated that medical care for individuals who transition would cost roughly $2.4-$4m annually. Every year, the Pentagon spends approximately $6bn on medical care for active members of the armed forces."

Out of a pot of 6 billion they're not actually spending that much anyway by comparison.

[Vicky.]

I wouldn't say it was just about the money, I would imagine when having the actual ops and stuff you are 'out of work' so to speak for a long time. Does the army pay them still when off with...self inflicted injuries?

IDK. Trump is a ****ing arse though and twitter is not the place for this as it opens up more questions than anything. If self funding and not expecting to be paid while out of work..I really don't see the issue. And surely unless the individual made a huge fanfare about being trans then half the time noone would know anyway? As not all transgender people transition or anything

[Oliver_W]

No government should pay for transition surgeries, but anyone who passes the tests should be allowed to serve.

[Livia]

Nothing shocks me with Trump. How about the transgender people who are already serving their country? What should they do? Can he sink any lower, it's hard to imagine.

[Underscore]

I mean what did you expect from a Republican Preisdent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ...(United_States)

Majority:
Conservatism[3]
Economic liberalism[4]
Fiscal conservatism[5]
Social conservatism[6]
Federalism[7]

Factions:
Fusionism[8][9]
Libertarianism[10]
Neoconservatism[10]
Paleoconservatism[11]
Right-wing populism[12][13]

[Oliver_W]

I've seen conflicting accounts about whether or not transpeople were even allowed to serve in the US army before. For what I gather, those who are transitioning couldn't, but those who had gender dysphoria but weren't presently acting on it could. I think all that Trump meant was that the army wouldn't pay for them to start transitioning, which is fair enough.

[Denver]

f they are not fully transitioned then i agree

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've seen conflicting accounts about whether or not transpeople were even allowed to serve in the US army before. For what I gather, those who are transitioning couldn't, but those who had gender dysphoria but weren't presently acting on it could. I think all that Trump meant was that the army wouldn't pay for them to start transitioning, which is fair enough.

Then spend about 4 times as much on Viagra for the military than they do on Trans Healthcare
Which is more important?

[Ellen]

I took it to mean they would not pay for any transitioning so those that already have will still serve.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Then spend about 4 times as much on Viagra for the military than they do on Trans Healthcare
Which is more important?

If the viagra results in childbirth, I'd say that's more important.

[LeatherTrumpet]

It would appear that the ban was to enable funding for The Wall to go ahead, so it had to be quickly made. The Wall must take precedent.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...e1154c9c09cd92

[Livia]

Studies claim that there are over 15,000 trans people in the US military in a variety of roles. Trump has said that trans people cannot serve in the military "in any capacity". What a shameful waste of talent and resources.

[Vicky.]

I genuinely don't see how he would even know. Transgender people, only like 10% of them ever actually make an attempt to transition medically so its basically just a thought in their heads. Which obviously cannot be policed.

I was thinking a bit more about this yesterday and the only way it makes sense to me is that the suicide rates among trans folk are astoundingly high compared to other groups of people, as are rates of other mental illnesses...most transgender people have some other form of mental illness too. It could be a large risk to themselves and others to put them in a combat situation...from what I know certain types of mental illness and military service do not go well together... In this capacity, I can see why it could be argued that the military is no place for them, BUT...I can't see this being Trumps reasoning at all (plus, it could be argued that only those who actually do have another form of illness should be refused...as its not fair to 'blame' all for how most are) I thought he was all for trans rights actually, didn't he make a huge fuss over how Jenner was welcome in his female changing rooms in his hotels and that?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I genuinely don't see how he would even know. Transgender people, only like 10% of them ever actually make an attempt to transition medically so its basically just a thought in their heads. Which obviously cannot be policed.

I was thinking a bit more about this yesterday and the only way it makes sense to me is that the suicide rates among trans folk are astoundingly high compared to other groups of people, as are rates of other mental illnesses...most transgender people have some other form of mental illness too. It could be a large risk to themselves and others to put them in a combat situation...from what I know certain types of mental illness and military service do not go well together... In this capacity, I can see why it could be argued that the military is no place for them, BUT...I can't see this being Trumps reasoning at all (plus, it could be argued that only those who actually do have another form of illness should be refused...as its not fair to 'blame' all for how most are) I thought he was all for trans rights actually, didn't he make a huge fuss over how Jenner was welcome in his female changing rooms in his hotels and that?

Combat troops only make up a small percentage of service personnel. There are so many other jobs, as you probably know... cooks, administrators, air traffic controllers, mechanics, drivers, medical personnel etc. etc. To me, this is Trump giving the finger to the LBGT community whose rights he promised to protect when he needed their vote.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Combat troops only make up a small percentage of service personnel. There are so many other jobs, as you probably know... cooks, administrators, air traffic controllers, mechanics, drivers, medical personnel etc. etc. To me, this is Trump giving the finger to the LBGT community whose rights he promised to protect when he needed their vote.

Yeah I never thought of that actually..I hear military I think actual troops. This decision is pretty bizzare...and as I said how on earth would they police this given most trans people don't bother with hormones and surgeries and that. I do understand not letting those mid transition into the military. but all? Just seems stupid.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I never thought of that actually..I hear military I think actual troops. This decision is pretty bizzare...and as I said how on earth would they police this given most trans people don't bother with hormones and surgeries and that. I do understand not letting those mid transition into the military. but all? Just seems stupid.

Yeah, really stupid. But then, that's most of his policies, isn't it.

[Liberty4eva]

This is truly just a small step in the right direction. We need to do more drastic things like teach children at school that it is not normal to date your gender. The messages I have read on this board are not encouraging to me. Enjoy your moral degenerate culture.

[Liberty4eva]

If Trump said we are going to ban people in wheel chairs from joining the army, people would be up in arms and offended. The personal feelings of everyone outweighs the practicality of the situation. This is why our societies are going into the toilet.