[LeatherTrumpet]

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=207

good example of how its done and why people say


"there is no way he could have known that" or "he told me exactly what my dream was about"

There is also the same dynamic going on about seeing "ghosts"

Humans like to be interesting and have interesting things to tell people and a story such as "omg this medium told me something amazing" fits the bill for many

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No ,not in this case she told me minute details about my sister and the awful way she died that you couldn't guess at

see link above

[Livia]

I've seen Derren Brown tell people stuff he couldn't possibly have known and he'll tell you right up front he's not psychic.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by johne

Funny that. I saw Derek live in Scunthorpe about ten years ago. He gave very accurate messages to one woman in the audience and I noted that he did this with zero "fishing" and no leading questions, the explanation most sceptics always use to discredit mediums whether it happens or not. I had a chat with this woman when we left the theatre and she was definitely a local rather than an inside plant on Dereks team, because I walked back to where she lived nearby as we chatted.

I can only assume Derek was having an off day when you saw him. I suppose it must be difficult on the day if you fill a theatre and Sam doesn't show up.

You're taking the piss are you?

[LeatherTrumpet]

you would think that with the popularity of genealogy now all the mediums would be doing that and making a fortune rather than playing run down theatres to an audience of middle aged ladies





I wonder why they dont employ one on "who do you think you are"?

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are NO real mediums, there are NO spirits

there is zero scientific evidence save anecdotal

Its not even an argument

There are just those who prey on ignorance and superstition

But then there is no evidence for a god, yet people around the world believe in it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

But then there is no evidence for a god, yet people around the world believe in it.

Correct

people believe is all sorts of batsh1t stuff like gods (1000s of them)

But that does not make any of them remotely real

[smudgie]

Some people do have the gift.
But the ones that are genuine don't do it for the money or fame. Well the ones I know don't.

[johne]

Originally Posted by Paula D

You're taking the piss are you?

I guess you cannot address my points, hence the abuse.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Some people do have the gift.
But the ones that are genuine don't do it for the money or fame. Well the ones I know don't.

Yes why would you want to make millions easily if you could or help catch killers and find say missing children..




with the "gift"

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've seen Derren Brown tell people stuff he couldn't possibly have known and he'll tell you right up front he's not psychic.

Exactly.

Derren Brown actually centred an episode of one his shows on how 'mediums' and 'psychics' are fake. I think he calls it cold-calling, and there are many strategies people like Derek will use; one of them is constantly saying names and letting the audience react when they hear one that sounds just a little like a deceased person they know, like Chuff and a few others have already pointed out.

It was a good watch. I love Derren Brown.

[Northern Monkey]

It's bollocks.I once went and stayed the night in a sixteenth century pub that featured on Most Haunted.Not a peep.It was quieter than my own house.Stayed up all night too.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've seen Derren Brown tell people stuff he couldn't possibly have known and he'll tell you right up front he's not psychic.

He's a clever fella.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Some people do have the gift.
But the ones that are genuine don't do it for the money or fame. Well the ones I know don't.

Exactly. I know a medium (she was my mums best friend) and she was pretty spot on. God rest her soul.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Exactly. I know a medium (she was my mums best friend) and she was pretty spot on. God rest her soul.

Its the same as a magician

you dont know how its done so you think its magic

but of course magic does not exist so its just you dont know how its done

same with "mediums" you just assign not knowing how its done and or luck to she has a gift

but really its only that you dont know how they did it


or look at it this way - either everything we have leaned about science through hundreds of years of painstaking research and peer reviewed endeavour is WRONG

or your mums pal is a fibber


i will have a tenner on the latter

[LeatherTrumpet]

and of course the reason people lie like this is to make themselves more important which is a basic human driver like having sex. Some people achieve this through work, a talent like singing, collecting things, being a councillor or just plain fabrication

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or look at it this way - either everything we have leaned about science through hundreds of years of painstaking research and peer reviewed endeavour is WRONG

everything? no way
science / scientists are figuring out new stuff all the time
300 years ago people probably wouldnt have believed smart phones and wi-fi internet

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

everything? no way
science / scientists are figuring out new stuff all the time
300 years ago people probably wouldnt have believed smart phones and wi-fi internet

no you misunderstand, everything learned by science to date

the fact that science is ever learning through meticulous testing of proof and evidence and peer-review is why we have wifi and smartphones

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no you misunderstand, everything learned by science to date

the fact that science is ever learning through meticulous testing of proof and evidence and peer-review is why we have wifi and smartphones

if it took so long to figure those out, what makes you so certain we just don't have the technology to figure other stuff out, modern science afterall is pretty damn new thing

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

if it took so long to figure those out, what makes you so certain we just don't have the technology to figure other stuff out, modern science afterall is pretty damn new thing

Figure what out?

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Figure what out?

how to possibly get contact from other dimensions or something like that
im agnostic atheist btw

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

how to possibly get contact from other dimensions or something like that
im agnostic atheist btw

Their is no evidence for other dimensions nor any evidence that anything other than death exists and when the blood stops pumping the brain dies and with it the person ceases to exist other than as a memory.

Science has already established this

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Their is no evidence for other dimensions nor any evidence that anything other than death exists and when the blood stops pumping the brain dies and with it the person ceases to exist other than as a memory.

Science has already established this

Or maybe Spacetime is the fourth dimension

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Their is no evidence for other dimensions nor any evidence that anything other than death exists and when the blood stops pumping the brain dies and with it the person ceases to exist other than as a memory.

Science has already established this

you need to watch stargate

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Or maybe Spacetime is the fourth dimension

indeed but the poster I think was referring to a human one?