[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Educate yourself.


Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regualarly take the oportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name.

Hitler's party positioned as a left-wing organisation based on his rhetoric, rather than his actions, espoused in the 1920s and 1930s to disenfranchised workers frustrated with what they perceived as a two-tier society.

Neither left or right wing want to be known as the side of the political spectrum that Hitler was on, and both sides would argue he was on the other, politically speaking.

Here is the short version...

Nazis called themselves the 'National Socialists', and they even nicked some (incredibly benign) socialist policies. It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'.
The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left. The Italian Right still mired in 19th century thought, could not tackle the explosion in left-wing organization

Mussolini gives us the first fascist platform - national/racial superiority, rearmament & expansion, and consolidation of capital. The Italian Fascists appropriated, wholesale, Roman imagery, such as the 'fasces', to evoke renewed national pride & a sense of superiority.
The Italian Fascists sought to expand & reclaim historically Italian lands (mirroring a large portion of the old Roman Empire).

After nicking some socialist economic policies (public works & spending), fascist government formed corporate cartels, enriching the few.
Hitler & his Deutcher Arbeiter Partei mates see this and decide that they need to steal support from actual socialists, so the DAP rebadge themselves as the NSDAP... Socialism still being a relatively new ideology. It's like adding 'e-' to a product name.
Otherwise, they were fascist - 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital.

Do I really need to go into their views on race & their feelings towards the Jews?
Do I really need to go into their designs on a 'Greater German Reich'?
The Germans used socialist economic policies, before retreating to a corporate cartel base. Companies like Krupp made $$$.

The actual socialists who emerged after Marx wanted three things - 1. Removal of classes. 2. World socialism. 3. Distribution of capital.

So, you see, @stillgray there's a big ****ing difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE ****ING OPPOSITES.

So, if you're peddling this 'munuhmunuh NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS' bull**** you're either massively dense or an evil prick.


This is a condensed version of the twitter exchange for you from Mike Suchberry History tutor and author.

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi...chbery-7900001

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

Your views, and PC views in general, are a perfect example of a no free-thinking state where everyone must be forced to conform to a state (socialism) definition of idealism. Fascism is a term that can apply to either side depending on perspective and behaviour. If people behave like fascists, that's exactly what they are.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Educate yourself.


Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regualarly take the oportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name.

Hitler's party positioned as a left-wing organisation based on his rhetoric, rather than his actions, espoused in the 1920s and 1930s to disenfranchised workers frustrated with what they perceived as a two-tier society.

Neither left or right wing want to be known as the side of the political spectrum that Hitler was on, and both sides would argue he was on the other, politically speaking.

Here is the short version...

Nazis called themselves the 'National Socialists', and they even nicked some (incredibly benign) socialist policies. It is, however, a total misnomer, it's like the World Series, or Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or 'ethics in gaming journalism'.
The Nazis were fascists. Indisputably. They drew their ideology from Italy's fascists, who arose in reaction to the Left. The Italian Right still mired in 19th century thought, could not tackle the explosion in left-wing organization

Mussolini gives us the first fascist platform - national/racial superiority, rearmament & expansion, and consolidation of capital. The Italian Fascists appropriated, wholesale, Roman imagery, such as the 'fasces', to evoke renewed national pride & a sense of superiority.
The Italian Fascists sought to expand & reclaim historically Italian lands (mirroring a large portion of the old Roman Empire).

After nicking some socialist economic policies (public works & spending), fascist government formed corporate cartels, enriching the few.
Hitler & his Deutcher Arbeiter Partei mates see this and decide that they need to steal support from actual socialists, so the DAP rebadge themselves as the NSDAP... Socialism still being a relatively new ideology. It's like adding 'e-' to a product name.
Otherwise, they were fascist - 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital.

Do I really need to go into their views on race & their feelings towards the Jews?
Do I really need to go into their designs on a 'Greater German Reich'?
The Germans used socialist economic policies, before retreating to a corporate cartel base. Companies like Krupp made $$$.

The actual socialists who emerged after Marx wanted three things - 1. Removal of classes. 2. World socialism. 3. Distribution of capital.

So, you see, @stillgray there's a big ****ing difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE ****ING OPPOSITES.

So, if you're peddling this 'munuhmunuh NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS' bull**** you're either massively dense or an evil prick.


This is a condensed version of the twitter exchange for you from Mike Suchberry History tutor and author.

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi...chbery-7900001

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

Your views, and PC views in general, are a perfect example of a no free-thinking state where everyone must be forced to conform to a state (socialism) definition of idealism. Fascism is a term that can apply to either side depending on perspective and behaviour. If people behave like fascists, that's exactly what they are.

Did you actually non-ironically use urban dictionary as a source though

[LeatherTrumpet]

You could never brand the Nazis (the real ones not the insult name) as left wing/socialist

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

Your views, and PC views in general, are a perfect example of a no free-thinking state where everyone must be forced to conform to a state (socialism) definition of idealism. Fascism is a term that can apply to either side depending on perspective and behaviour. If people behave like fascists, that's exactly what they are.

Aaaand I'm done, the fascistic anti intellectual trend of rebuking any factual context for folklore is exampled here.

Kizz out.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Aaaand I'm done, the fascistic anti intellectual trend of rebuking any factual context for folklore is exampled here.

Kizz out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8316271.stm

There is much that demonstrates that there is no easy answer to the question 'what is a fascist'. Your black and white definition is very convenient. We all know the history of the word but how we apply it today is more complicated. Like many I most certainly support the common sense belief that 'if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck'.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So where do the anti jewish labour party sit...left..right..alt...middle?

The Alt-right spews hatred of the Jews. The left, hatred of Israel. There's a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism... look it up.

[lime]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Alt-right spews hatred of the Jews. The left, hatred of Israel. There's a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism... look it up.

Agree 100%
I support Helen Zille of the Da all the way in South Africa ...but I think BiBi & IDf are one of the biggest terroist group's atm

[LeatherTrumpet]

Donald Trump is right (about something): There really is an “alt-left,” but it’s even weirder than he thinks

As Trump, Hannity and other GOP hacks started throwing around the word “alt-left,” some liberal commentators who favored Clinton over her insurgent rival Sen. Bernie Sanders started using the word as well. Among them was Nation columnist and former Salon editor Joan Walsh: "At what point do some of these guys become the alt-left, a less toxic but still racially blinkered version of the alt-right?"

As Sarah Jones documented extensively last week, Clinton loyalists have continued their usage of the term as a cudgel against those further to their left.

As moderate Democrats have stuck with their usage of “alt-left,” Republicans seem to have adopted it. Once Trump was sworn in as president, conservatives started using it as a synonym for various “black bloc” or “antifa” groups who frequently oppose white nationalists at their public rallies or other events.

more here: http://www.salon.com/2017/08/26/dona...han-he-thinks/

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MB.

Again, there isn't an "alt-left" and there never will be

It's as good a collective name for violent groups like BLM and Antifa as any.