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27-09-2017, 10:45 AM | #26 | |||
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Then I guess it's lucky there is no Anti-islam in mainstream politics.
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27-09-2017, 11:26 AM | #27 | ||
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There's a massive anti-islamic slant in a lot of western countries' politics and it will only become more extreme. |
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27-09-2017, 11:28 AM | #28 | ||
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As for the topic at hand, I'm glad they've given her security, although the threat is likely empty it should still be taken seriously.
I'm sad that it's had to come to that though. If people disagree with her views then they should open a dialogue, not issue threats. |
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27-09-2017, 11:36 AM | #29 | |||
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27-09-2017, 11:45 AM | #30 | |||
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I didn't know Jo Cox was muslim.
And are people still banging on about the "muslim ban"? Looking at what's happening in Europe, it's hard to blame people for falling for that sort of thing, especially in Germany. Last edited by Oliver_W; 27-09-2017 at 11:50 AM. |
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27-09-2017, 11:49 AM | #31 | |||
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27-09-2017, 12:23 PM | #32 | ||
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The Muslim Ban is still relevant because it's recently had a new iteration in which two other countries have been put on there as tokens to make the Muslim Ban seem less like a Muslim Ban in order to overcome the illegality of it. You don't respond to extremism with extremism. Quote:
12% is a lot for an extreme party, they went from having no say or power to becoming the third biggest share of votes. It's worrying if they continue to garner support. |
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27-09-2017, 12:29 PM | #33 | |||
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She was murdered by a right wing extremist. the reasoning he gave was political, in relation to her work in Muslim communities. Falling for what kind of thing, the Muslim ban is given credibility because of what? The thread started with the apparent need for a political reporter employing a bodyguard due to her views, and has descended into the demonisation of Muslims. Who would have thought it?
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27-09-2017, 12:37 PM | #34 | |||
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27-09-2017, 12:59 PM | #35 | |||
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27-09-2017, 01:10 PM | #36 | |||
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27-09-2017, 01:30 PM | #37 | |||
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Each year the UK government gives Łbillions (not millions) to Israel and a similar amount in arms. This is so the Zionists can wipe out the Islamists. In 2016 the U.S. Finalized a deal to Give Israel $38 Billion in Military Aid. This was so the Zionists could wipe out the Islamists. We are very openly aiding Israel to wipe out what's left of Palestine and that is what Jeremy Corbyn is against. The problem is, many people don't understand the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism... they believe its the same thing and so when Labour make anti-Zionist speeches, the Right use those speeches as anti-Jew rhetoric from the Left-wing party and you know what? people fall for it again and again because what they haven't learned and probably don't want to learn is, the British and American governments are the biggest Zionists on this planet.
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27-09-2017, 01:50 PM | #38 | |||
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lol at "wiping out Palestine", who's population growth is the same now as it was before 2010. Worst. Genocide. Ever. |
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27-09-2017, 01:59 PM | #39 | |||
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27-09-2017, 05:48 PM | #40 | |||
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27-09-2017, 06:55 PM | #41 | |||
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And lets not forget western terror. The 1.3 million Muslims we killed in Iraq and the 1.7 million dead across the middle east due to western sanctions in our crusade on terrorism. Let's not forget the 800 men, many of them innocent, who were imprisoned and tortured without restraint in Guantánamo Bay. We, by holding hands with the U.S have supported terrorism in far more countries than ISIS or other western-made terror groups will ever reach. Our government has blood on its hands.
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27-09-2017, 06:58 PM | #42 | |||
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whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
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27-09-2017, 08:26 PM | #43 | |||
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Oh dear, did you run out of things to say?
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27-09-2017, 08:41 PM | #44 | |||
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No, it's just banging on about how the West are "terrorists" has nothing to do with anything.
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27-09-2017, 10:23 PM | #45 | ||
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You can spin it all you want, a shovel is a shovel and a muslim ban is a muslim ban. |
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27-09-2017, 10:51 PM | #46 | |||
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Well, no it's not. For example, the "ban" can be waived in individual cases, like for an interpreter. I highly doubt that every muslim country not included in the "ban" is either a US ally or a Trump business interest, do you have a source for this?
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28-09-2017, 07:55 AM | #47 | |||
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But its difficult if not impossible to have a balanced debate with people who are driven by one-sided sensationalistic western media.
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28-09-2017, 11:43 AM | #48 | ||
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You're focusing on the tiny cracks in order to deny there's a massive chasm in the wall. Most experts of every political persuasion agree that this is, and always has been, a muslim ban. |
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28-09-2017, 12:19 PM | #49 | |||
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The burden of proof lies with the claimant, and I've seen no proof it's anything but a hold on immigration from places affected by extremism. |
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28-09-2017, 01:31 PM | #50 | |||
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https://mises.org/blog/long-history-...ast-and-africa A quick look at social media today reveals that many of the same people who imagined the US was "minding its own business" prior to 9/11 now seem to be under the impression that France has a hands-off approach in the Middle East and surrounding areas. Of course, this position is even more ridiculous since the French have an even longer and arguably more brutal history than the US when it comes to Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, and more. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../turk-s09.html The German army is to massively expand its presence at the Incirlik air base in southeastern Turkey. The defence ministry under Ursula Von der Leyen has announced investments totalling €58 million. According to Spiegel Online, €26 million is to be used to construct an airstrip for the Tornados stationed there and permanent accommodation for the troops. For an additional €30 million, the army will establish a mobile command centre for the deployment of the air force. For this, the building of a foundation will be necessary, which costs an additional €2 million. The NATO Incirlik airbase is the main location from where the US-led air war in Syria and Iraq is waged, in which the German army has participated since last year with fighter jets, a warship, refuelling aircraft, satellite technology and up to 1,200 troops. The German Tornado pilots have flown approximately 500 reconnaissance missions since then.
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