[Oliver_W]

Three suspects are being sought by police after a woman was punched and kicked during a brawl between transgender activists and radical feminists.

The 60-year-old victim was punched in the face, knocked to the ground and kicked after one of the suspects tried to grab her camera as she was filming at a gender recognition talk, the Metropolitan police said.

Police said the first suspect is a man described as white, around 6ft and with brown hair in a pony tail.

TERF stands for "Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist", and they're a group of feminists who see traps as eeeviiil man who want to break into their toilets to rape them, pretty much. But then some transwomen decide it's okay to "Punch a TERF", and violence is obviously worse than words.

Do women have a right to say that traps can't use their bathroom? Should they be allowed in to do their business, as long as they don't punch women?

[Niamh.]

I can understand why women are getting annoyed, look at this story for example :

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10...cal-advantage/

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can understand why women are getting annoyed, look at this story for example :

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10...cal-advantage/

Not to mention that boxer Fallon Fox.

Speaking of Australian's womens' sports, this gave me a chuckle:
Australia's national women's soccer team the Matildas lose 7-0 to an under FIFTEENS boys' side

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not to mention that boxer Fallon Fox.

Speaking of Australian's womens' sports, this gave me a chuckle:
Australia's national women's soccer team the Matildas lose 7-0 to an under FIFTEENS boys' side

I'm sure it did

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sure it did

Love you too <3

[Vicky.]

I am a 'TERF' apparently. Its just another insult used against women so nowt new there. Its screamed at anyone who dares think any deeper into the whole 'transwomen are women' argument. Oddly enough, there is no slur for males who believe in biology, its entirely used against females who dare to have boundaries.

I think if we have sex segregated areas of life, then obviously it makes sense to...segregate them by sex. Not by a feeling in someones head.

Surprised its taken so long for this story to be posted. I was actually speaking to the woman who was attacked by a bunch of men weeks ago.

[Vicky.]

'TERF' is basically used to just shut down people who dare question any aspect of the transactivists narrative. Not many people know that we currently have male rapists in female prisons, for example. And saying this gets you shouted down and labelled phobic. Believing in biology full stop, or that there are differences between the sexes is transphobic. Its all gone ****ing mental and honestly, a lot of transsexual people are 'gender critical' also. Seems to be only the obvious misogynistic dudes who are in favour of self-ID (currently Maria Miller is trying to pass this through parliament...) and 'female penises' and who try to shame lesbians into ****ing them as its transphobic to not sleep with a male bodied person who 'identifies' as a woman you know. Funny that.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can understand why women are getting annoyed, look at this story for example :

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10...cal-advantage/

The comments section on that article tho...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The comments section on that article tho...

I had to go back and look at the comments. Lets hope their sons and daughters don't become transgenders... on the other hand

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am a 'TERF' apparently. Its just another insult used against women so nowt new there. Its screamed at anyone who dares think any deeper into the whole 'transwomen are women' argument. Oddly enough, there is no slur for males who believe in biology, its entirely used against females who dare to have boundaries.

I think if we have sex segregated areas of life, then obviously it makes sense to...segregate them by sex. Not by a feeling in someones head.

Surprised its taken so long for this story to be posted. I was actually speaking to the woman who was attacked by a bunch of men weeks ago.

Do you still see post-op transgender women as men?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Do you still see post-op transgender women as men?

They will always be male, yes.

I don't believe anyone can ever chan ge sex and science certainly does not support that

However, I have a lot more sympathy for someone who is transsexual and actually suffers sex dysphoria than the 'new brand' of trans people...

Personally I would have no issue with someone post-op in female changing rooms and stuff.. But, then you have the issue of saying people are only 'welcome' if they go through dangerous surgeries.

Prisons though...I really do not know. I have thought about this a lot, especially since finding out that we do currently have violent male rapists in with the female population, and generally, the only 'fair/safe' way of doing it (I think I have said this on another thread too before) is to have trans prisoners on their own wing. As its unsafe to put males with females (else, why segregate by sex in the first place?) but its also dangerous for the trans prisoners being in with other males. Having said that, gay men are also fairly at risk in prison..maybe they should also have their own wing :S


Honestly, I don't see why there is all the push for obvious male people to be in female areas at all. I think the only people who will benefit from this are voyeurs and perverts as 'genuine transsexuals' have been using spaces of their preferred sex for years already and most women would not have an issue with a transwoman in their loos or whatever. An obvious male though...is a problem and I think its really wrong to call those who say this, bigots. Or to punch them.

[smudgie]

Live and let live I say.
But perhaps for safety sake then if you still have a willy, use the gents loo or go to a male prison, but once you lose the tackle then be classed as female.
I dont have a clue when you are actually legally classed as having changed sex.
If anybody I know or know about wants to be called he or she then I can't see a problem with it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oddly enough, there is no slur for males who believe in biology, its entirely used against females who dare to have boundaries.
.

Not to get all truth-y, but surely thats because a man hasn't made a radical anti-f2m meninist society yet.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not to get all truth-y, but surely thats because a man hasn't made a radical anti-f2m meninist society yet.

There is no 'society' though. TERF is just used to shout down any woman who is uncomfortable with sharing sex segregated areas with men. When men say they believe biological sex is an actual thing and that it matters in certain areas of life, they do not get abuse and rape threats. But women daring to say that? Well...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There is no 'society' though. TERF is just used to shout down any woman who is uncomfortable with sharing sex segregated areas with men. When men say they believe biological sex is an actual thing and that it matters in certain areas of life, they do not get abuse and rape threats. But women daring to say that? Well...

I've never heard the term before, but it does sound like a squad of feminists who hang out considering they were in a brawl together?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I've never heard the term before, but it does sound like a squad of feminists who hang out considering they were in a brawl together?

LOL no its not that. Its not a group. TERF is what transactivists call them (whilst threatening violence and that) and it literally these days means any woman who believes biological sex is a real thing and that in some areas of life, it does actually matter

Edit. Sites a bit outdated now...but https://terfisaslur.com/ should give you an idea of quite how 'terf' is used

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

LOL no its not that. Its not a group. TERF is what transactivists call them (whilst threatening violence and that) and it literally these days means any woman who believes biological sex is a real thing and that in some areas of life, it does actually matter

Edit. Sites a bit outdated now...but https://terfisaslur.com/ should give you an idea of quite how 'terf' is used

Ohhh, got it.

I'd need to know more about the story I guess... how did the transactivits determine they were 'terfs' would be a big decider on how I feel about the people on both sides of the story

Obviously I don't condone the violence, but just curious as to whether the 'terfs' were completely innocent victims.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ohhh, got it.

I'd need to know more about the story I guess... how did the transactivits determine they were 'terfs' would be a big decider on how I feel about the people on both sides of the story

The women were meeting to discuss upcoming changes to the law which would basically mean that anyone can 'self-ID'.

Transactivists shut the venue down to start with by threatening them. So venue was rebooked and kept quiet. Women were meeting at speakers corner to go onto the venue, so that new venue could not be threatened. Transactivists planned violence against the women to start with..then turned up to do it

Its all a bit much to write down as I don't quite know how much you know about how things are at the min with this whole trans thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx9pyvI-V7M

Above video explains it probably better than I can (also has video of the attack). Uploader is a lesbian woman who was thrown out of her LGBT group at uni for saying she would not sleep with a transwoman (male person...er...lesbian?!). Which is sadly a 'common' view now...that sex does not actually exist, seeing sex is transphobic, ergo all sexualities are actually transphobic. But only lesbians get it in the neck...

She has loads of other videos on the subject too and she highlights quite how far down the rabbit hole this is now

[Vicky.]

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/...-in-hyde-park/

Full timeline actually.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/...-in-hyde-park/

Full timeline actually.

Nobody comes off well in that video - sure, neither are reflective of their communities, but I don't care for any of the individuals in this story now! The "No to male violence" chant was kinda infuriating, even if you disagree with a lifestyle, theres no need to be that much of a **** about it! And then the actual violence was on a par, or worse. All vile imo.

I'll read through the article later on and see if it changes my mind perhaps.

[Vicky.]

It won't change your mind. If you think shouting no to male violence is 'on par' (OR worse) with 3 blokes attacking a 60 year old female

The woman in red was kinda annoying me when I first watched it though.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It won't change your mind. If you think shouting no to male violence is 'on par' (OR worse) with 3 blokes attacking a 60 year old female

The woman in red was kinda annoying me when I first watched it though.

Yeh that was my next question lol. What do they mean by men and women. Are they being ***** or was a cisgendered male involved? And no it's defo not worse to chant the abuse, I didn't say that it was.

[Vicky.]

The guy with the ponytail (who threatened the ally) identifies as a dude. I assume anyway given he is the only one the police are willing to name as 'a man'. The other 2, don't know. Look very much like any other bloke but these days that means nothing does it

[DemolitionRed]

I don't condone anything in the video. I don't condone the women holding that poster in that transgenders face and I certainly don't condone violence but then this crowd was but a small handful of people and isn't reflective of society as a whole, including transgender men and women amongst us.

I've spent a portion of my life in France where, although male and female public toilets have little fem and masculine signs on the door, nobody takes much notice. A woman doesn't bat an eyelid if there's a man using the female loos and vice-versa. In the UK its very different but for me personally, it doesn't bother me.

If a trans woman can't use a female toilet, even though she looks fully female, where is she to go? and if she can't use a female toilet, does that mean female to males trans can't use male toilets?

The rapist in the prison thing is a concern; whatever were they thinking. Perhaps we do need to have transgender facilities in prison. Putting a female to male transgender in a male prison would be foolish and putting a sex offending male in a female prison is just stupid, but in the most part, transgender prison segregation would be for the transgenders safety.

The problem isn't transgender in my opinion. When I worked in the clubbing world in London, we often used to end up at a place called Stunners. When everything was packed away at 5am in the morning, we'd stop off at Alice's cafe (attached to Stunners) in Cable street to get a Bacon sandwich. This place was always buzzing with very dolled up transvestites who dressed up to the nines on a Saturday night but mostly dressed as blokes and did blokey jobs through the week. Many were married and used this promiscuous place as a secret pass time. Whilst I have nothing against a persons kink (providing its consensual and legal), I don't for a minute think 'shehe's' should have the same privileges transgenders have. Transgenderism isn't a kink, its a chosen lifestyle and something we should look at with the seriousness it deserves. The problem is, there are a lot of 'shehe' hobbyists and when we are using public female facilities and a female who looks obviously manish uses them, we don't know if she's a true transgender (I don't regard an operation as proof) or someone who just fancied dressing up as a female today. When I watched that video, a lot of the 'supposed transgender women' looked like men. I think its much more likely the majority were a very vocal bunch of transvestites. From my experience in the bowels of Londons clubbing scene, transvestites can be just as aggressive as the next man because they still have all those male hormones ripping through their veins. Transexuals tend to be quietly spoken and inobtrusive and don't generally like bringing attention to themselves.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If a trans woman can't use a female toilet, even though she looks fully female, where is she to go? and if she can't use a female toilet, does that mean female to males trans can't use male toilets?

This is not whats being proposed though, and certainly is not what the 'terfs' are fighting against either. Its obvious males, who do absolutely nothing to themselves except declare 'I am a woman', who are fighting for legal access to female areas. And this is whats causing the disconnect

The rapist in the prison thing is a concern; whatever were they thinking. Perhaps we do need to have transgender facilities in prison. Putting a female to male transgender in a male prison would be foolish and putting a sex offending male in a female prison is just stupid, but in the most part, transgender prison segregation would be for the transgenders safety.

Yup. Makes most sense, but transactivists say this is 'othering'. Which in a way it is but still...safety first surely. Having the same issue in sports fairly recently too. Many many men wishing to compete against women as they are apparently 'trans'. Unfair, but allowed in some cases. And then they have the gall to use Semenya as an example of why it should be allowed. Semenya is intersex, not trans. Its different, and should be too.

The problem isn't transgender in my opinion. When I worked in the clubbing world in London, we often used to end up at a place called Stunners. When everything was packed away at 5am in the morning, we'd stop off at Alice's cafe (attached to Stunners) in Cable street to get a Bacon sandwich. This place was always buzzing with very dolled up transvestites who dressed up to the nines on a Saturday night but mostly dressed as blokes and did blokey jobs through the week. Many were married and used this promiscuous place as a secret pass time. Whilst I have nothing against a persons kink (providing its consensual and legal), I don't for a minute think 'shehe's' should have the same privileges transgenders have. Transgenderism isn't a kink, its a chosen lifestyle and something we should look at with the seriousness it deserves. The problem is, there are a lot of 'shehe' hobbyists and when we are using public female facilities and a female who looks obviously manish uses them, we don't know if she's a true transgender (I don't regard an operation as proof) or someone who just fancied dressing up as a female today. When I watched that video, a lot of the 'supposed transgender women' looked like men. I think its much more likely the majority were a very vocal bunch of transvestites. From my experience in the bowels of Londons clubbing scene, transvestites can be just as aggressive as the next man because they still have all those male hormones ripping through their veins. Transexuals tend to be quietly spoken and inobtrusive and don't generally like bringing attention to themselves.

Yes yes yes tbh. Tranvestites are not transgender and should NOT be having access to female areas, it shouldn't even be considered. The 'trans umbrella' now is so ****ing wide that even I am classed as transgender ffs, simply because I don't conform to every female stereotype and don't believe I even HAVE a 'gender identity'. Which in turn makes me a-gender or gender-queer. Which makes me trans. And this is according to stonewalls own definition. Bat****.

Currently you need a diagnosis of sex dysphoria and to have been living as your chosen sex (following stereotypes really...problematic in itself) fir 2 years to legally change sex. Whats being proposed is that this is taken away completely and you can just declare yourself the opposite sex and thus gain protections associated with that sex. Its dangerous for females, and for transsexual women alike. Transwomen (who 'pass) currently use female spaces to avoid males that they are scared of. This new law basically means, the very males they are scared of can just follow them in, by stating that they are also a woman. Anyone challenging this obvious man will be committing a hate crime. It makes a mockery of a serious illness, it does not take into account the reasons for sex segregation to start with..it just has not been thought through at all and there is endless support for it as people do not quite know what they are supporting. Its kind of scary