[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It is a strange one though cause obviously if a stranger walks up and puts an arm round you your going to worry as a woman and check your wallet as a man.

But i see my work colleagues as mates, we socialise and laugh and joke together. Maybe im lucky, but if i put my arm round one of the girls they would know i was reasuring them.

Yes,that is how I feel about this, where do we draw a line ? I mean things said on here in jest sometimes could be offensive to some ?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

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There are also women who do this?

That's true and I've talked about that in another thread, I actually sometimes think women are worse (in terms of how frequently it happens) for random arse-groping in bars etc. and I think that's probably because it's seen as more acceptable.

But my opinion there is that it isn't really acceptable for men OR women to be doing it... Not that it should be fine for men to do it because women do it too.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No but they're also not necessarily "friends", and I think most people have a good sense of who they have an actual friendship with, and who they only know in a work capacity.

Its pretty much general knowledge that it's not appropriate to be over-familiar with work colleagues, especially subordinates, who are not also an out-of-work friend surely? And it's that way for a good reason, e.g. People will play along or pretend not to be uncomfortable with something if it's a superior, out of fear of losing their job or being otherwise penalised in some way (e.g. Being given a tonne of extra work, or all of the crappy menial tasks) which does also happen.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who breaks this "rule"... Like I said, it's standard workplace etiquette? If they choose to ignore it and lose their job... That's their own choice? If they start claiming that they "didn't know it was inappropriate" then they should probably lose their job anyway, because they are stupid, incompetent, and not suitable to be in charge of employees.

The news and the pm are making it all about the abuse of power and i think your examples here are as well..no harm in that, but yet again it is making it all less about the victim to an extent..it is probably the correct way to deal with it but we cant let it jumble up with the serious incidents which will obviously come to light as the victims will end up being just another statistic.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,that is how I feel about this, where do we draw a line ? I mean things said on here in jest sometimes could be offensive to some ?

We draw the line with common sense surely? Everyone knows who their friends are... Don't they?? Parm knows it would be fine with people he works with because he knows them and knows that they have a friendly relationship as well as a working one.

Its not like "Oh it should just be fine for everyone to touch everyone else because no one knows who their friends are".

I mean... And I'm assuming here... But I doubt that if a new girl started and got upset on her first day, Parm would run over and give her a big ol' hug . I hope not, anyway.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,that is how I feel about this, where do we draw a line ? I mean things said on here in jest sometimes could be offensive to some ?

I wish i hadnt lost my job as a male stripper, imagine the compensation

[waterhog]

being discussed now 1040am wrightstuff ch5 ?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We draw the line with common sense surely? Everyone knows who their friends are... Don't they?? Parm knows it would be fine with people he works with because he knows them and knows that they have a friendly relationship as well as a working one.

Its not like "Oh it should just be fine for everyone to touch everyone else because no one knows who their friends are".

I mean... And I'm assuming here... But I doubt that if a new girl started and got upset on her first day, Parm would run over and give her a big ol' hug . I hope not, anyway.

Depends on what upset her, if she had just had a call about a family death then i probably would. Any other reason then no...

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by waterhog

being discussed now 1040am wrightstuff ch5 ?

Just started watching....looks like women turning on women.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Look at all these threads about race, no one cares about sexism or attacks on women!"

*Someone makes a thread about women being harassed in the workplace*

"No no no, that's the wrong KIND of thread about women, it has to be about them being attacked by Evil Muslims blehhh or Evil Labour. I can't believe you don't care about attacks on women by minorities and labour members, disgusting."

[Kizzy]

I am shocked to be honest, I would have thought the abuses of position wouldn't have been downplayed to this extent, this if anything is a snapshot of the double standard within 'society'.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am shocked to be honest, I would have thought the abuses of position wouldn't have been downplayed to this extent, this if anything is a snapshot of the double standard within 'society'.

I know what you mean. It's like that thread on here of the New York attack this week where 8 people were murdered, not even 2 full pages of comments. Compare that to the thread earlier in the year with the Charlottesville one where there was 1 victim, that thread went on for pages with anger.

[Cherie]

I don't think it is being downplayed, there is just very little information to go on Micheal Fallon stood down for touching someone knee and lewd comment apparently? I find that hard to believe when someone who raped a female activist may still be in Westminster and the persons or persons who told her not to report it are probably also there

[Cherie]

Sir Michael Fallon was forced to quit after being accused of making lewd comments to Andrea Leadsom, it has been reported,*
The shamed former Defence Secretary resigned from his post on Wednesday, admitting that his behaviour had “fallen short” in the past.*
The Sun reports he told Leader of the House of Commons Leadsom, who complained of cold hands: “I know where you can put them to warm them up.”*




I know it the Sun, and probably false but if that is the level we are talking here and if a woman can't bat off that kind of comment with ease in any situation I give up

[Oliver_W]

That sort of thing being classed as anything beyond "stupid comments" trivializes actual harassment, and makes me doubt the seriousness of non-detailed claims.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That sort of thing being classed as anything beyond "stupid comments" trivializes actual harassment, and makes me doubt the seriousness of non-detailed claims.

Yes it does, I really can't understand why the Micheal Fallon's case is taking precedence over Bex Bailey if it really was just about knee touching and inappropriate but ultimately not particularly intimidating suggestiveness

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it does, I really can't understand why the Micheal Fallon's case is taking precedence over Bex Bailey if it really was just about knee touching and inappropriate but ultimately not particularly intimidating suggestiveness

If I was given to conspiracies, I'd say it's because one involves the left, and one the right.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If I was given to conspiracies, I'd say it's because one involves the left, and one the right.

Except that they both involve the center?

[Cherie]

I have just been informed that has has to step down from it's job as a smilie on TiBB due to overt suggestiveness

anyone who has used this smilie in any context needs to be very afraid

Marsh

[Toy Soldier]

I heard whispers that there have been historic sexual harassment allegations made against LT for some PMs he sent 3 or 4 years ago .

It's not fair, he's changed I tells ya, it was just a different time!

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have just been informed that has has to step down from it's job as a smilie on TiBB due to overt suggestiveness

anyone who has used this smilie in any context needs to be very afraid

Marsh

I resigned today

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

I know what you mean. It's like that thread on here of the New York attack this week where 8 people were murdered, not even 2 full pages of comments. Compare that to the thread earlier in the year with the Charlottesville one where there was 1 victim, that thread went on for pages with anger.

Spot on Alf. Notice how there were no responses to that obvious anomaly.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have just been informed that has has to step down from it's job as a smilie on TiBB due to overt suggestiveness

anyone who has used this smilie in any context needs to be very afraid

Marsh

I mean

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But are fellow employees strangers?

Not strangers but not necessarily always people you can have an "intimate" relationship with. I say intimate because it's crossing personal boundaries.

I've worked with a close friend in the past so were pretty comfortable with a hand on the shoulder or whatever but someone who is purely a colleague you wouldn't always be familiar on a personal level and Im.not comfortable with people I only know from work invading my personal space.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I mean things said on here in jest sometimes could be offensive to some ?

And doesn't my PM inbox KNOW IT!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Spot on Alf. Notice how there were no responses to that obvious anomaly.

Probably because everyone actually agrees ISIS are bad?