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Old 09-11-2017, 05:55 PM #1
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Is there a reasonable solution? Or are we just supposed to watch on for a few generations of mass murders?
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I was thinking that they could start by making most bullets illegal. The sale of a bullet would be a crime but perhaps they can keep their pistols and bullets for them or something, whilst they recall all the unnecessary ****. I'd imagine that'll take 20 odd years at the least, and the mere suggestion of it will cause a few murders but like, gotta start somewhere surely?
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Unfortunatly in america its probably best to carry a side arm.

Let them carry on, a few bad apples shouldn't spoil it for everyone.
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As i have said before the small amount of deaths are, for most, a fair price to pay for having the gun laws they have

I doubt many see it as much of a problem as we do
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Is there a reasonable solution? Or are we just supposed to watch on for a few generations of mass murders?
There's no quick solution IMO, you'd probably need to start with education at an early age (and people probably wouldn't even be happy about that) and then I would say, first and foremost, a ban on guns in cities, followed by 'burbs, and finally extending it to a smaller rural towns and areas after several decades where you'd probably have to make it still legal to own smaller calibre rifles etc. (but with stricter regulations)

Another big problem would be that the US is so heavily consumerist, so the population would find it very hard to swallow if they had to give up an expensive assault rifle, for example, without being reimbursed for the cost.

And you would need both of the political parties to be on board, as one isn't going to do it if the other can campaign on it.

Honestly I think a full ban at this point, at any time in out lifetimes, would be impossible. I think the best that could be hoped for is much stricter regulations on purchase (an online, active licensing system that updates immediately if the license is revoked and is checked EVERY time a gun is sold... None of this being able to lie on a form crap) and eventually maybe restrictions on the types of guns that can be sold. I.e. No high powered semi-automatic assault weaponry... It's insane that it was ever allowed.
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Give everybody a water pistol.
Might sound glib, but the gun laws at present don't seem to protect you.
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Id do a swap a gun for a sex toy programme if i was president

with a sachet of lube for each bullet.
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As i have said before the small amount of deaths are, for most, a fair price to pay for having the gun laws they have

I doubt many see it as much of a problem as we do
Is this a joke
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They need to introduce proper common sense thorough background checks so that severely mentally ill people and literal terror suspects can't just easily tick a box and buy a gun.

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If I was in charge...

Revolvers only, so a six-shot capacity before reload and a max calibre of .45. That's big enough to anyone. Also, single shot hunting rifles only. Long prison sentences for anyone in possession of a illegal gun and no one with mental health issues or a criminal record to be granted a licence.
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Is this a joke
which part do you find amusing or have evidence to disagree with?
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Revolvers only, so a six-shot capacity before reload and a max calibre of .45. That's big enough to anyone. Also, single shot hunting rifles only. Long prison sentences for anyone in possession of a illegal gun and no one with mental health issues or a criminal record to be granted a licence.
and anyone who sells to a person with records of either of those to be prosecuted as well. Might make them more thorough when doing their checks, not just tick a box like that last guy
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and anyone who sells to a person with records of either of those to be prosecuted as well. Might make them more thorough when doing their checks, not just tick a box like that last guy
Totally agree.
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Another perspective



If you cut the horns off the gazelle you just make it easier for the leopard.
America is probably at that point now.Guns seem to prevent more deaths than they cause.

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the only way it can be changed is by changing public opinion on the necessity for guns. There are too many weapons in circulation now for any law to be effective
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I'd start by taking the automatics and semi automatics out of public and hunting hands and limit them to hand guns. Then I'd have stricter rules on who can get the hand guns. I'd limit hunting to six shot or less rifles.

I'd cap the hunting bias of the DNR and push their focus back to conservation rather than pandering to the hunting bucks and I'd educate all the upcoming generations away from gun dependency.
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I was thinking that they could start by making most bullets illegal. The sale of a bullet would be a crime but perhaps they can keep their pistols and bullets for them or something, whilst they recall all the unnecessary ****. I'd imagine that'll take 20 odd years at the least, and the mere suggestion of it will cause a few murders but like, gotta start somewhere surely?
I've changed my mind, I think they should start with banning the most leathal guns first, and then ban the rest on a downward scale.

I think making punishments for the sale or the manufacturing of bullets is important in this too.

(Seems like a good time to bump this)
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I also think their entire justice system needs a look at. Often murder is round a life sentence, and murdering two people is around... two life sentences.. and murdering a group of people... several life sentences for that one individual.

When a guy murders someone in America, theres not really a reason for them to not go on a killing spree. Its the exact same punishment, with a more daft title.
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Mental health idea is silly, anyone can suffer mental health problems at any time, so you could buy a gun with good mental Heath and then have bad mental.
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It might have helped if some of the multiple concerns which were raised about the recent shooter were followed up. And in general, if people with mental health issues had a decent support network, they would hopefully be less likely to fall so low.

Encouraging fathers to remain present in their kids' lives even if the relationship with mother falls apart would help too. Kids having two parents is one of the biggest variables when it comes to success in life, and if I recall correctly, out of the past large scale shooters in the past decade, only one had his dad in his life.
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I doubt many see it as much of a problem as we do
Small amount? SMALL amount?

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Guns will never be realistically completely banned in America so I'd suggest the following.

-Prohibit the sales of Assault Rifles and military grade weaponry to citizens, there's no reason why anyone should be able to pick up an assault rifle. It's not a defensive weapon, it's not one suited for hunts, it's a weapon to kill and nothing more.

-Outlaw same day sales, make checks meaningful and make it so that people who have violent criminal offences on their record cannot legally own a gun. With the more minor of violent crimes, I'd potentially put a caveat that they could potentially legally purchase a gun if they don't commit any more offences for a period of time.

-Psychological checks must be mandatory and be more in depth then what they are now.

-No sales of guns to anyone under the age of 21.

-Make it so that people who own guns must house them in a safe way that's out of reach of children or anyone that would seek to misuse the guns.
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Is there a reasonable solution? Or are we just supposed to watch on for a few generations of mass murders?
Not make guns so readily available to any tom dick & Harry .
Have restrictions on who's allowed a gun ,law enforcement get first priority for guns . And trained army etc . Also limit the type of weapons.

Its disgusting and stupid that any unhinged angry student can go on a killing spree with any choice of fire arm as he or she pleases . Make it impossible and illegal to own a gun unless you need it for your job or you're trained and responsible.
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So tricky.Even if you put huge restrictions on sales there’s already probably millions of AR’s already out there in the population.
No way could the authorities try disarming the population without a full scale war.Towns with armed barricades etc.
I honestly can’t see a fix within the century.It’s gonna take careful baby steps with as TS said an ‘education’ program.
You can’t just change a country’s DNA by whacking some new laws in.Not that that could be easily achieved anyway.
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