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15-12-2017, 11:33 AM | #1 | |||
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15-12-2017, 11:34 AM | #2 | |||
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The one who accused him should spend life in prison and the officers involved struck off
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15-12-2017, 11:43 AM | #3 | |||
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You don't even get life in prison for paedophilia so I doubt that but she absolutely should be prosecuted, that's for sure. can't believe the Police would do what they did though, for what reason would they want to?
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15-12-2017, 11:50 AM | #4 | |||
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He was facing 20 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit and she will probably get a slapped wrist for destroying a man's life there just isn't any justice
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15-12-2017, 11:53 AM | #5 | |||
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Oh I agree it's a terrible thing to do to someone, I was just saying the justice system (here anyway) seems overly lenient on people in general, rapists and paedophiles in particular so I wouldn't feel comfortable for someone to get a heavier sentence for this than those crimes but they should all be bumped up imo
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15-12-2017, 11:58 AM | #6 | |||
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I think in situations like this the person who made the false accusation should face the sentence the person they lied about would have served.
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15-12-2017, 12:00 PM | #7 | ||
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I am not getting why her sending messages pestering him for sex, and even having consensual sex with him at one stage, means he could absolutely not rape her? Husbands rape their wives ffs...consent once does not mean consent for life.
I don't understand why the police would withhold evidence that they knew they would have to show later in the trial though. Somethings very odd about this whole thing.
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15-12-2017, 12:04 PM | #8 | |||
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You'd have to be pretty sure it actually was a false allegation though (and I think that would be very hard to do) just because they don't have enough evidence to convict a person of rape doesn't mean the accuser was lying
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15-12-2017, 12:07 PM | #9 | ||
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When lies can be proved, the accuser DOES get a long sentence. Usually longer than the accused would have done if found guilty of rape. Because lying about rape is worse than raping. Clearly.
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15-12-2017, 12:16 PM | #10 | |||
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15-12-2017, 12:20 PM | #11 | ||
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And this means she cannot be raped?
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15-12-2017, 12:21 PM | #12 | ||
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I'm not saying she WAS by the way, but that having a previously consensual sexual relationship with someone does not mean you cannot be raped by said person. Like some seem to think it does.
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15-12-2017, 12:31 PM | #13 | |||
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Well if you say you enjoyed sex with the person you then claimed raped you on said night then you wasn't raped you can't pick and choose what happened .
Men will always be guilty even when they are not when it comes to rape
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15-12-2017, 12:32 PM | #14 | |||
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Also she pestered him for sex not the other way round
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15-12-2017, 12:37 PM | #15 | ||
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Do you have access to more information than the story you posted?
Again, enjoying sex with someone does not mean they cannot then rape you. I actually can't make any sense of the polices decision to keep the messages until the last minute. Hoping more comes out about this as its just so confusing.
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15-12-2017, 12:46 PM | #16 | |||
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You cant pester someone for sex then accuse them of rape The texts revealed the woman asked Mr Allan for casual sex and fantasised about rough and violent intercourse and even being raped despite telling police she didn't like being intimate with men. Yet another hole in the case Barrister Jerry Hayes claims the detective in charge told him sexual messages sent by the woman to Liam Allan and her friends were 'too personal' to share. Too Personal?
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15-12-2017, 12:46 PM | #17 | |||
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There was enough evidence to prove he is innocent so why are you still seeing him as guilty?
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15-12-2017, 12:48 PM | #18 | ||
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There was not enough evidence to 'prove he is innocent' at all. Thats your own spin on it.
And I am not saying he is guilty. I am saying that you can still be raped off someone you have previously enjoyed sex with. And that this whole thing is extremely odd.
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15-12-2017, 12:48 PM | #19 | |||
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who is you all?
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15-12-2017, 12:49 PM | #20 | |||
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You dont tell someone you want them to rape you then cry Rape
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15-12-2017, 01:04 PM | #21 | ||
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I'm with Vicky, I don't think this alone proves his innocence unless there's more that hasn't been said. Just because she wanted sex at the time of these messages doesn't mean she did when he wanted to. There's simply no evidence to convict or vindicate him by the looks of it.
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15-12-2017, 01:05 PM | #22 | |||
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there seems to be some gross misconceptions about the legal process. If the police submitted all potentially relevant evidence in a case, each case would probably take 50 years to be heard. Its based on 2 criteria, is it admissible as evidence, and does it prove the crime (or help prove the crime)
We as outsiders have no idea on the background of the evidence, so we can hardly make a judgement on its quality, reliability or anything else. |
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15-12-2017, 01:21 PM | #23 | |||
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The is more evidence to prove he didn't do he then he did it
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15-12-2017, 02:33 PM | #24 | ||
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It’s almost as if the police were trying to get their rape conviction figures up.
But yeah if it could actually be proven she’s a lying bitch then she should be banged up as long as he would’ve been. |
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15-12-2017, 02:53 PM | #25 | ||
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That's the only way I can see the messages meaning the case was instantly dismissed. Otherwise, they would be irrelevant to the crime in question and the trial would have continued? |
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