[Alf]

Originally Posted by Father Moyesy

I don't always agree with this theory but I did think they made far too big a deal of Joanna being 'confrontational' on TA, there was one task at the start where she was that way but other than that she wasn't that bad but Lord Sugar returned to it every week.

I think Makosi is being a bit obtuse to say she was shocked at her portrayal though given the way she acted in the house though

Not half as much of a big deal as they made of Elizabeth being a potty control freak!

They only portrayed Elizabeth like that because she is White (I can't think of another reason why?)

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Sir Alfred

Not half as much of a big deal as they made of Elizabeth being a potty control freak!

They only portrayed Elizabeth like that because she is White (I can't think of another reason why?)

I don't want to use the race card as that ISN'T always the case. Despite Makosi behaving weird in the house Davina still had to admit she was an entertaining hm even though both her & the audience treated her like public enemy number 1 .

Makosi didn't help herself as I've already said , the crap with Anthony was a mess and the secret missions she had in the house made her act differently . She's swears blind without the secret missions she would of acted the same but I'm not convinced tbh .

She was a fun hm to start with and I was glad she completed the secret missions but it became frustrating how narcissistic and annoying she became. But she made the final, I don't think she would ever of won but some people reckon she might of won if all the BS antics never happened but I'm not sure.


But anyway Elizabeth was a mad hatter control freak and drove everyone crazy yet Sugar kept her in and it proves the apprentice is a big fat joke, zero to do with proper business skills and more about entertainment and comedy. Elizabeth was never going to win but I always knew she'd make the interviews to see her get grilled for viewers pleasure.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I wonder how white contestants get on in African RT?

etc

etc

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Saint Nicola

I could agree with the 'angry black woman' stereotype but I don't think there's a 'sexy black woman' stereotype fitting with the boobs etc in RTV. That's more reserved for blonde females.

The trope has existed since slavery. I've not really seen it on British tv but its more prevalent on american tv and media. e.g., love and hip hop, BGC, lil kim etc

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

I wonder how white contestants get on in African RT?

etc

etc

pretty well.

[armand.kay]

Alexandra is a really bad example to use though

[Jamie89]

Hmm, I do think that racism and sexism can sometimes play a part in how well contestants do in RTV shows. To deny that would be to deny that racism and sexism exist imo. I don't think it effects outcomes to a major extent though as I think there a far more people who aren't racist or sexist, and there are probably a bunch of people who are kinda racist and/or sexist who occasionally like black/female contestants. It's probably not so black and white (no pun intended). As in, yes I imagine there's an influence there but it's not so determinate that it means black women will always perform worse than everyone else.
Makosi is probably a bad example for them to use though. Wasn't she the favourite to win for the first few weeks? She was hugely popular with the public, it turned around after she lied about getting pregnant and much of her behaviour after that.

[montblanc]

i understand that some of these examples were kind of bad but the overall points that the article is making are very true

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Hmm, I do think that racism and sexism can sometimes play a part in how well contestants do in RTV shows. To deny that would be to deny that racism and sexism exist imo. I don't think it effects outcomes to a major extent though as I think there a far more people who aren't racist or sexist, and there are probably a bunch of people who are kinda racist and/or sexist who occasionally like black/female contestants. It's probably not so black and white (no pun intended). As in, yes I imagine there's an influence there but it's not so determinate that it means black women will always perform worse than everyone else.
Makosi is probably a bad example for them to use though. Wasn't she the favourite to win for the first few weeks? She was hugely popular with the public, it turned around after she lied about getting pregnant and much of her behaviour after that.

All the women mentioned in the article are all from different backgrounds and have different personalities the only thing they have in common is their race .

Makosi is a BAD example for sure as she ruined her own chances of winning but i don't think she would of won anyway , some people even think Kinga had a chance which is laughable and that the nasty wine bottle incident ruined her chances .But Neither of them would of won.

Anthony was a fav to win for a long time and the crap with Craig just gained him more votes ,probably sympathy votes having to put up with an emotional unstable stalker .

But let's all be real when we acknowledge racism , sexism and other prejudices still exists today , I don't always think discrimination is the result of something bad happening to a contestant but it does definitely play a part sometimes .

And the statistics for these shows don't look good atall .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

All the women mentioned in the article are all from different backgrounds and have different personalities the only thing they have in common is their race .

Makosi is a BAD example for sure as she ruined her own chances of winning but i don't think she would of won anyway , some people even think Kinga had a chance which is laughable and that the nasty wine bottle incident ruined her chances .But Neither of them would of won.

Anthony was a fav to win for a long time and the crap with Craig just gained him more votes ,probably sympathy votes having to put up with an emotional unstable stalker .

But let's all be real when we acknowledge racism , sexism and other prejudices still exists today , I don't always think discrimination is the result of something bad happening to a contestant but it does definitely play a part sometimes .

And the statistics for these shows don't look good atall .

And their vile attitude

[Nicky91]

excuse me but i don't like Craig's vile behaviour towards Mollie & Aston, denying them from the tour, even though Mollie has admitted she loves dancing and would've loved to do the tour


it makes me furious

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Merry Molliemas

excuse me but i don't like Craig's vile behaviour towards Mollie & Aston, denying them from the tour, even though Mollie has admitted she loves dancing and would've loved to do the tour


it makes me furious

WRONG THREAD

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

And their vile attitude

What on Earth are you talking about ! did you even watch Melanie & Makosi in BB ?. I bet you're just making up your mind from what you've heard and been told.

And you still seem to believe the malicious crap written about Alexandra , the only thing that's vile are those lies written about Alexandra.

Joanna was a strong candidate and had some good ideas and her business had potential, so tell me how she has a "vile attitude"?.

If you're referring to her argumentative side then that's unfair as every woman from this apprentice near enough was argumentative, Siobhan was one of the worst ones this year . Elizabeth was a nightmare for people to work with, Jade was stuck up and rude at times.

But because Joanna happens to be on the receiving end of some of the arguments then she's the "aggressive vile one" hmm interesting :

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

WRONG THREAD

so what


it's still about strictly, so ontopic

[LeatherTrumpet]

Makosi was a vile egotistical narcissist of the worst kind. She typifies the horrible stereotypes that BB continue to feed. The problem solely lies with the production sourcing such horrible black women for drama and not with the British public, the most accepting and tolerant audience in the entire world

[Nicky91]

Makosi is a sweetie

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Merry Molliemas

Makosi is a sweetie

like you watched that series when you were 12 or whatever

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Makosi was a vile egotistical narcissist of the worst kind. She typifies the horrible stereotypes that BB continue to feed. The problem solely lies with the production sourcing such horrible black women for drama and not with the British public, the most accepting and tolerant audience in the entire world

It's funny how since then people love egomaniacs on BB including on the CBB .

I already said Makosi's character changed and she was narcissistic and behaving stupidly with the whole "I might be pregnant " rubbish and contemplating "jacuzzi" as a name for her imaginary baby .


She still didn't deserve the heavy hate she got, the interview was unwatchable and the last time I've seen an interview as cringy as that was Becky from BB5 just because she did what BB told her to do which is the aim of the game . All Becky did was follow the rules and had to nominate someone by giving them a kiss on the face cheek .

Like I said Makosi didn't help herself and she's an attention seeker, but Joanna & Alexandra definitely don't deserve the hate . Melanie kissed 2 guys ooooh what a hussy ?? pleaseee give me a break. People have shagged in the house cheated on their partners and even stripped naked and groped each other. Just to name a few.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What on Earth are you talking about ! did you even watch Melanie & Makosi in BB ?. I bet you're just making up your mind from what you've heard and been told.

And you still seem to believe the malicious crap written about Alexandra , the only thing that's vile are those lies written about Alexandra.

Joanna was a strong candidate and had some good ideas and her business had potential, so tell me how she has a "vile attitude"?.

If you're referring to her argumentative side then that's unfair as every woman from this apprentice near enough was argumentative, Siobhan was one of the worst ones this year . Elizabeth was a nightmare for people to work with, Jade was stuck up and rude at times.

But because Joanna happens to be on the receiving end of some of the arguments then she's the "aggressive vile one" hmm interesting :

Ive watched every series both normal and Cbb since series 1 ........ and still say the only nice black woman in any series has been Alison Hammond, they will never win, nor should they unless they realise you get further in life being nice than nasty, something their mothers should have learned them from an early age

[LeatherTrumpet]

and of course the last few years even on Tibb the usual omg i love her quick get the fan club together, member falling over themselves to join up etc only for the women to be so vile that by week 2 not a peep from anyone nd only chuff and me saying *cough told you so

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive watched every series both normal and Cbb since series 1 ........ and still say the only nice black woman in any series has been Alison Hammond, they will never win, nor should they unless they realise you get further in life being nice than nasty, something their mothers should have learned them from an early age

Are you being serious , Alison was and still is a lovely bubbly person .
But to actually say she's the only nice black woman to enter BB is absurd and offensive.

Sandi from Gogglebox was fairly nice And she seemed like a mother figure and tried to be a peacemaker, plus she cleaned and cooked while others sat on their lazy arses . Ohh let me guess you think Sandi is fake?? .

Latoya Jackson didn't behave bad in the house she was just quiet .

What did Adjoa do that was bad?? I didn't watch much of that series but I didn't see her do anything that bad apart from talk about sex which is what all of them do in that house ,and some even have sex .


There's so many other examples i can say but I'm busy today .

[Niamh.]

^^^ Heaven just off the top of my head, Ife I think although I don't remember much of her ^^^

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

^^^ Heaven just off the top of my head, Ife I think although I don't remember much of her ^^^

Ife lost support because she was seen as boring and quiet, I remember she had massive cheers when she went in . But hanging around Those 2 girls ( I'm not even going to attempt to try and spell the Irish girl's name and what was the other girl called Shab ?) , Ife shouldn't of hanged around them as they were bitchy and negative.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Ife lost support because she was seen as boring and quiet, I remember she had massive cheers when she went in . But hanging around Those 2 girls ( I'm not even going to attempt to try and spell the Irish girl's name and what was the other girl called Shab ?) , Ife shouldn't of hanged around them as they were bitchy and negative.

Caoimhe

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

and of course the last few years even on Tibb the usual omg i love her quick get the fan club together, member falling over themselves to join up etc only for the women to be so vile that by week 2 not a peep from anyone nd only chuff and me saying *cough told you so

Ive never made a fan club for anyone,and I'm the 1st to admit if I misjudged someone after a week or so in ,but to see series after series the same crowd worshipping someone for the colour of their skin BEFORE they've even entered the house is laughable, but will they admit when this person turns out to be the devils daughter that they got it wrong? Nope never !!