[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Except you don’t, because any person who happens to disagree with you is just a “loony leftie” or w/e the “insult” was

You only like “FREE SPEECH!!!!” when it goes in conjunction with your own views. Hence why it doesn’t work.

Silly you

I am not castigating you for saying what you like, just pointing out that you are wrong when it comes to fact

you can call John, Joan, as many times as you like, but when he is dead, he will still be John

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Because I can and because its about the show

Be careful Chuff, this forum no longer allows free speech, only politically correct fake news!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Silly you

I am not castigating you for saying what you like, just pointing out that you are wrong when it comes to fact

you can call John, Joan, as many times as you like, but when he is dead, he will still be John

What you are stating is an opinion, not a fact.

You are also oversimplifying things to an extreme extent that is no long accurate to the reality of identity. Identity is something we forge and create for ourselves, would you like someone else dictating who and what you are? Denying you your right to your identity because it offends them?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Dont be silly Dezzy,if a woman has a hysterectomy she is still a woman she has just had to have her bits removed due to ill health and as for those who can't have children,they still have the organs they just don't work as they should.

So you don't need to able to give birth or have the organs needed to be seen as a woman?

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Be careful Chuff, this forum no longer allows free speech, only politically correct fake news!

Looks a bit muddled between free speech and hate speech to me!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Be careful Chuff, this forum no longer allows free speech, only politically correct fake news!

Freedom of Speech means that you can state your opinions and other people can also weigh in on those opinions. It is not a magical shield to protect you from criticism. Freedom of speech works both ways. you can't pick and choose.

When you signed up to this site, however, you agreed to adhere to the rules, the primary one being not to post things that are overly offensive. You can have extreme opinions but the way you present them can and will trip you up.

Nobody will ever get infracted for saying 'I disagree with India being counted as a woman because _______' that's an argument but to be overly offensive with it like saying 'oh she's just a ******, man in a wig etc.' that's where people will get picked up (Not saying anyone in particular has said that, just an example of what isn't acceptable).

[Livia]

In my opinion, you don't need a womb to be a woman, or breasts or any other bits and pieces. All you need is the complete absence of the Y chromosome. Because if you do have one, you're either male, or you're a transsexual woman.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by RichardG

you're posting the tweet because you agree with it, why are you avoiding saying this? because you know the tweet is bigoted and hateful?

Well it is absolutely the truth, so Chuff should have no problem agreeing with it

For those of us who deal in fact, not fiction, a man cannot turn into a woman, nor vice versa, they can live as one, and have cosmetic surgery to help them resemble the other sex, but bilogically, they will remain the sex they were born into, that is a FACT, ask any Doctor, FACT not FICTION

Having said that, we can all choose to live how we please and should not face abuse for doing so

FACT IS STILL FACT PEOPLE..........................Even if this Forum pretends that it is not fact but transphobia #fakenews

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Freedom of Speech means that you can state your opinions and other people can also weigh in on those opinions. It is not a magical shield to protect you from criticism. Freedom of speech works both ways. you can't pick and choose.

When you signed up to this site, however, you agreed to adhere to the rules, the primary one being not to post things that are overly offensive. You can have extreme opinions but the way you present them can and will trip you up.

Nobody will ever get infracted for saying 'I disagree with India being counted as a woman because _______' that's an argument but to be overly offensive with it like saying 'oh she's just a ******, man in a wig etc.' that's where people will get picked up (Not saying anyone in particular has said that, just an example of what isn't acceptable).

I have not insulted India at all, in fact I like him

But I will not accept the fake news that he is a she, he is a man who feels more comfortable living life as a woman, and that is his absolute right, and I would never do anything to make him feel uncomfortable, but in the same way that India refuses to acknowledge any drag queens (eddie Izzard et al) as transgender, I refuse to acknowledge him as a female human being, because he is a male human being

Thats a fact

Thr ironic thing about all this is, I am sure that I could have a very interesting debate with India about this subject as he does not seem to shy away from differing opinions, go figure......

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Looks a bit muddled between free speech and hate speech to me!

And when you know the difference between debate and hate, you will be a man my Son lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Well it is absolutely the truth, so Chuff should have no problem agreeing with it

For those of us who deal in fact, not fiction, a man cannot turn into a woman, nor vice versa, they can live as one, and have cosmetic surgery to help them resemble the other sex, but bilogically, they will remain the sex they were born into, that is a FACT, ask any Doctor, FACT not FICTION

Having said that, we can all choose to live how we please and should not face abuse for doing so

FACT IS STILL FACT PEOPLE..........................Even if this Forum pretends that it is not fact but transphobia #fakenews

It's not the truth or a fact, Katie Hopkins opinion is her opinion and nothing more.

[Babayaro.]

Imagine carrying on with the "fake news" thing

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not the truth or a fact, Katie Hopkins opinion is her opinion and nothing more.

Ask your Doctor! FACT!

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

I have not insulted India at all, in fact I like him

But I will not accept the fake news that he is a she, he is a man who feels more comfortable living life as a woman, and that is his absolute right, and I would never do anything to make him feel uncomfortable, but in the same way that India refuses to acknowledge any drag queens (eddie Izzard et al) as transgender, I refuse to acknowledge him as a female human being, because he is a male human being

Thats a fact

Thr ironic thing about all this is, I am sure that I could have a very interesting debate with India about this subject as he does not seem to shy away from differing opinions, go figure......

You obviously don't like HER though because you haven't even got the very basic good grace and respect to refer to her as a female, which is how she at the very least, identifies. That should be enough.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Be careful Chuff, this forum no longer allows free speech, only politically correct fake news!

Been that way for a long time and they wonder why old posters don't come on any more

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

I have not insulted India at all, in fact I like him

But I will not accept the fake news that he is a she, he is a man who feels more comfortable living life as a woman, and that is his absolute right, and I would never do anything to make him feel uncomfortable, but in the same way that India refuses to acknowledge any drag queens (eddie Izzard et al) as transgender, I refuse to acknowledge him as a female human being, because he is a male human being

Thats a fact

Thr ironic thing about all this is, I am sure that I could have a very interesting debate with India about this subject as he does not seem to shy away from differing opinions, go figure......

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Livia

In my opinion, you don't need a womb to be a woman, or breasts or any other bits and pieces. All you need is the complete absence of the Y chromosome. Because if you do have one, you're either male, or you're a transsexual woman.

That's the bottom line really, people are who they are. Medical science and hormones can be used to make people more comfortable with what they have been given, but we are what we are.

Someone who transitioned still has exactly the same thoughts, the same emotions, the same soul. To suggest different is plain wrong.

That doesn't excuse any form of persecution however, but I have seen no evidence of that on this here forum.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Ask your Doctor! FACT!

I'm not sure you understand what a fact is.