[Cal.]

Just a quick comparison question!

[Epic.]

Of course

[Firewire]

Voted No by accident because of this stupid phone!

[Ant.]

As a cis male with decent manners, respect, and understanding, I regarded Luke A as a male!

[Jake.]

Yeah

I remember on BOTS when the person in the audience said “Luke... she, he, whatever she is” and was quickly reprimanded by Emma

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Voted No by accident because of this stupid phone!

[Babayaro.]

No
Firewire

[Nicky91]

yes

[bitontheslide]

I can truthfully say, that I didn't consider luke a to be a male like me, but I would say the same for every other male contestant that has ever been on the show. I have never identified with any of them, and probably never will

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Voted No by accident because of this stupid phone!

Transphobic BITCH!

[LeatherTrumpet]

i had to google him

did not watch that series

[Jay28jay2]

which one was that one

[Amy Jade]

I don't think Livia is being transphobic at all, she has said she supports India and is happy for her but she simply sees trans women as slightly different women than a person born a woman. She hasn't called her any less of a woman than herself though.

[Tom4784]

Yes, he had transitioned so I consider him a man.

[-Sue-]

why is this poll only for men?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

She is though.

She had a sex change, and is now a woman. Why is that so hard to understand?

surely you can see the distinction biologically at least?

take off your outrage glasses and tin hat and take a step back

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

why is this poll only for men?

There's been women on the forum saying India is not a female like them so I just wanted to make a poll to compare and contrast really!

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

surely you can see the distinction biologically at least?

take off your outrage glasses and tin hat and take a step back

I obviously see the biological factor, but the fact is she had a sex change and is now a woman, no matter if she's a biological woman or not. She was trapped in the wrong body, so has always been a woman.

I'm not normally very PC actually, but to deny India being a true woman is silly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I obviously see the biological factor, but the fact is she had a sex change and is now a woman, no matter if she's a biological woman or not. She was trapped in the wrong body, so has always been a woman.

I'm not normally very PC actually, but to deny India being a true woman is silly.

I deny she is a true woman.

But I do not deny that she is a trans woman and in every way my equal.

[Oliver_W]

He's a female transman. Nothing will stop him being female, but he's a man.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

yes :’)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I obviously see the biological factor, but the fact is she had a sex change and is now a woman, no matter if she's a biological woman or not. She was trapped in the wrong body, so has always been a woman.

I'm not normally very PC actually, but to deny India being a true woman is silly.

so is to pretend she was not born a man i guess

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i had to google him

did not watch that series

you should watch it the Luke A v Luke S rivalry

Outsiders v Insiders

Deana and Adam

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so is to pretend she was not born a man i guess

Nobody is pretending that though. The question being put to people is do you consider the finished result, so to speak, to be a man or a woman.

[Jamie89]

Yes he's like me. No he's not the same as me. That goes for all men and all women and everyone in between tbh.