[chuff me dizzy]

He's allowed his opinion,and its as valid as everyone else's

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

This is true, Ann has her opinions, Jonny has his opinions, Amanda has her opinions.... etc.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions

I think you're just trying to come up with any excuse for him simply because you've been a fan of him and you dont want it to look like you've changed your mind. There's having an opinion and then there's just being intolerant.

Originally Posted by montblanc

i was just thinking about Winston yesterday he was a scream

'I WaNt a HOUSE MEETING'

[JerseyWins]

Disappointed, that's about it. He came across poorly all episode, from the comment to the explanation, and even before all of that when he was already discussing the bed situation before he was even saved. Confident much?

Originally Posted by Epic.

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

Yeah but the hurtfulness of each person's comments/beliefs are also on different levels.

[RileyH]

He’s allowed an opinion guys, calm down!
BBUK-Fan, chuff me dizzy, Gusto Brunt, Nicky91, Northern Monkey

Anyone complaining needs to have a check on themselves!
Nicky91

[BBUK-Fan]

Originally Posted by Epic.

I think you're just trying to come up with any excuse for him simply because you've been a fan of him and you dont want it to look like you've changed your mind. There's having an opinion and then there's just being intolerant.



'I WaNt a HOUSE MEETING'

I haven't changed my mind, don't pretend you know me.

So far all series, people have said the housemates are entitled to an opinion. Ann has said things and everyone forgets about. This though however, everyone isn't happy about even though Ann has said things but they are forgotten.
Think it's a bit of favouritism over who's entitled to the opinion and who's is wrong

[BBUK-Fan]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He's allowed his opinion,and its as valid as everyone else's

Yep

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Disappointed, that's about it. He came across poorly all episode, from the comment to the explanation, and even before all of that when he was already discussing the bed situation before he was even saved. Confident much?

So true.

[Bones]

Legend!

[Patricia4]

He’s allowed an opinion like everyone is.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

He’s allowed an opinion like everyone is.

Not on here he's not Patricia

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

This is true, Ann has her opinions, Jonny has his opinions, Amanda has her opinions.... etc.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions

I guarantee John is going to bear the brunt of Ann's opinions & Daniel's .

People are soo fickle, it was literally a few hours ago they were saying how nice John is and now they're slagging him down like he talked about beating People up or something .

It's funny how Daniel can call women "lesbians" as a joke and not get as big a backlash.
I bet any money if Jonny,Daniel & Andrew were down the pub /in a bar somewhere drinking all 3 would be "joking" and saying homophobic slurs .

But because people fancy jonny & Andrew they don't think about it . And they just see Daniel as a daft rubbish comedian.

[Jamie89]

Judging someone based on their opinion isn't the same as saying he can't have an opinion. We all judge HM's all the time on BB based on the things they say and the views they hold, this is no different?

To answer the OP, he's cancelled!

[Robodog]

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Judging someone based on their opinion isn't the same as saying he can't have an opinion. We all judge HM's all the time on BB based on the things they say and the views they hold, this is no different?

To answer the OP, he's cancelled!

Well he'll probably get the backdoor exit in tonight/tomorrow twist. So people can enjoy their fickle ways and rejoice at his peril .

People ignore Daniel's vulgar behavior and Ann's opinions .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

A very grown up comment

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Robodog

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

Good post

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well he'll probably get the backdoor exit in tonight/tomorrow twist. So people can enjoy their fickle ways and rejoice at his peril .

People ignore Daniel's vulgar behavior and Ann's opinions .

I don't think Daniel/Ann have been ignored, it's just different situations. Many have criticised both of them, and had either of them said what John said I'm sure people would react to them much in the same way they're reacting to John

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

I haven't changed my mind, don't pretend you know me.

So far all series, people have said the housemates are entitled to an opinion. Ann has said things and everyone forgets about. This though however, everyone isn't happy about even though Ann has said things but they are forgotten.
Think it's a bit of favouritism over who's entitled to the opinion and who's is wrong

Never said I know you did I? All I did was speculate since it's a bit coincidental that you'd defend him being homophobic as 'having an opinion' when you normally hate almost every single time a housemate says something controversial, that's all.

And I don't think anyone has forgotten about what Ann's said. I definitely haven't, nor do I condone any of what she says. She's moreso a big character and entertaining housemate regardless of how much I'd enjoy living with her, whereas John seems stuck in his ways and ignorant, but also a stale and non-contributory housemate.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Robodog

John took the time with Shane J to explain himself, to listen to Shane's perspective and the vibe between them was respectful, friendly and kind

If John was homophobic (as the hysterical hate-mob would like to think he is) then he really wouldn't be giving Shane the time of day, let alone be so respectful and kind

Shane was clearly ok with the chat, as he described it to Malika afterwards

Of course we are all allowed to disagree on subjects. As long as we respect each other and respect our differences, - like Shane J and John did - then no problem

People who try and make more of it than that are the kind of people who are looking for trouble, and usually end up making things worse for everyone

Good on Shane and good on John for having such mature, honest, open discussion on the subject.

Haters can learn a lot from them.

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

[thisisdanny]

Originally Posted by Epic.

At least Winston McKenzie had funny moments to his ignorance and repeated slandering over it. This prick, not so much

Trying to get Tiffany in his bed was iconic

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very mature and intelligent comment

The same ones calling John homophobic should look at themselves, everyone is so hypocritical and fickle.

They are waiting to see someone trip up or say something they don't like so they can scream "prejudice" .

I hate the witch Hunt mentality .

And as I've said John is clearly open and friendly around Shane J and why have a short memory and forgetting John watched Shane J took.

Pretty sure if he was uncomfortable around Shane J he wouldn't be of sat watching that demonstration .

Plus John even kissed Courtney on the cheek when he met "her" and didn't seem bothered .

He gets on with Amanda as well

While I do agree there is a bit of a witch hunt mentally around things like this, of which I’m personally not fond of, it doesn’t take away that the crux of what he said heavily implies homophobia, and from the way he acted after Shane j contronfted him I don’t believe it was satirical. We’re debating the implications of his comment, not him, of which is defended by the same free speech argument people excusing John are using.

I don’t see how anyone is hypocritical for callling out homophobia, and yes sure changing an opinion on a housemate so severely in such a short period of a time might appeal fickle, but I fail to see how it isn’t warranted in this case, especially since the mouth where it came from has campaigned about prejudice regarding race and other things in football.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by thisisdanny

Trying to get Tiffany in his bed was iconic

'No he's gonna get excited and his blood pressure's gonna go up, let's not start the geeza' off '

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

While I do agree there is a bit of a witch hunt mentally around things like this, of which I’m personally not fond of, it doesn’t take away that the crux of what he said heavily implies homophobia, and from the way he acted after Shane j contronfted him I don’t believe it was satirical. We’re debating the implications of his comment, not him, of which is defended by the same free speech argument people excusing John are using.

I don’t see how anyone is hypocritical for callling out homophobia, and yes sure changing an opinion on a housemate so severely in such a short period of a time might appeal fickle, but I fail to see how it isn’t warranted in this case, especially since the mouth where it came from has campaigned about prejudice regarding race and other things in football.

It's hypocritical because people like Jim Davidson won CBB and he's a vile sack of vomit who's offensive to everyone .

I'm not saying everyone one liked Davidson,but it's just messed up .
And I bet if Shane J made a comment about Ashley & Ginuwine and their heterosexual behavior , people would laugh it off .

Shane J gets away with sexual vulgar talk as well.

Ann has different views but she's still popular,and didn't Daniel make a joke slur to the girls?? .

I just get fed up when people throw insults around like"homophobic" & "transphobic" , this is why everyone is soo PC to the point where they walk on eggshells.

India got more patience than she deserved yet Ginuwine & Andrew still got accused of being "transphobic" .

Why don't people Google homophobia and the word hate to understand what it actually means. the hm's wouldn't of given India the time of day if they were prejudice and if John or anyone was discriminating Shane J I'm pretty sure we'd know about it .


Everyone has different views and come from different backgrounds but they can still be friends.


Fight the real fight ,and stop nit picking something a masculine bloke has said when all the typical lads in there have probably said stuff .