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Old 22-01-2018, 01:58 PM #76
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No need for your patronising emojis or 'clues'. They come across like cheap air freshener trying to hide the big verbal turd you just laid.

Let's look at the facts.

You just made the negative statement 'look at you, getting all straight white male on us' when i pointed out the recent rise in anti-white hate crime.

What do you mean 'getting all straight white male'?

Clearly you meant that in a negative way, no doubt about that.
As if being 'straight, white male' is a 'bad thing' somehow in your mind.

So to help you see the bigotry of your own statement, let's flip it around.

Let's imagine you had pointed out a statistic regarding anti-black hate crime.

Then imagine another person responded with:
'look at you, getting all gay black female on us!'

You see the obvious bigotry when it's that way round, right?

It's all negative stereotyping. Not cool.

I'm an equalist.
To me, anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight comments like yours are EQUALLY as objectionable as anti-black, anti-female, and anti-gay comments are by anyone else.

But maybe you are unequal in your logic.
Maybe you think it's ok to be negative about 'straight white males'?
Maybe you think it's ok to stereotype ONE race, ONE gender, ONE sexuality - but not others?

If so then THAT, my patronising friend, is what we call bigotry:
Racist, sexist and anti-straight bigotry.

My advice?:

Aim for ACTUAL equality and intellectual consistency on these subjects or you are no better than the racists of this world.
In short: I have a cousin who's gay, black and transgender.
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Poor white people.

Non-white people have never had it so good.
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Poor white people.

Non-white people have never had it so good.
Go back on topic please .. Thank you
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Go back on topic please .. Thank you
I just responded to a post you're agreeing with. So it's very much on topic.

Oh wait... by on topic you mean agree with you don't you?
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In short: I have a cousin who's gay, black and transgender.
Then let that inspire you into realising that bigotry is wrong - whether it's aimed at gay, black trans-people or at straight white males.
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I just responded to a post you're agreeing with. So it's very much on topic.

Oh wait... by on topic you mean agree with you don't you?
That would never happen, you never agree with anyone
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Then let that inspire you into realising that bigotry is wrong - whether it's aimed at gay, black trans-people or at straight white males.
Yes I have offended myself, a straight white male, by insinuating that you are a straight white male. Even though it appears you are, in fact, a straight white male.

God, black people don't have to deal with this level of bigotry.
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That would never happen, you never agree with anyone
In the threads you appear in?

You bet I don't.
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Yes I have offended myself, a straight white male, by insinuating that you are a straight white male. Even though it appears you are, in fact, a straight white male.
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Yes I have offended myself, a straight white male, by insinuating that you are a straight white male. Even though it appears you are, in fact, a straight white male.

God, black people don't have to deal with this level of bigotry.
The only bigotry here is from YOU, when you said

'Look at you getting all straight white male on us'

That is a negative, bigoted, stereotypical statement about straight, white males no matter who said it or what colour they are.

You don't like it when i point that out.

Which is why you keep squirming.

Own it.

And move on.
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The only bigotry here is from YOU, when you said

'Look at you getting all straight white male on us'

That is a negative, bigoted, stereotypical statement about straight, white males no matter who said it or what colour they are.

You don't like it when i point that out.

Which is why you keep squirming.

Own it.

And move on.
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The only bigotry here is from YOU, when you said

'Look at you getting all straight white male on us'

That is a negative, bigoted, stereotypical statement about straight, white males no matter who said it or what colour they are.

You don't like it when i point that out.

Which is why you keep squirming.

Own it.

And move on.
Yes, squirming, that's what I'm doing.

How very straight white male of you to get so defensive when you try to dismiss the struggles of minority groups and get called out on it. Shame on you.

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I understand that and that’s exactly what Shane J is doing on the show with people like Ann and John, yet people jump on this forum and say calm down Oprah.... you can’t win.



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Just look at the amount of intolerance, and pushy and aggressive statements contained in this post.

And you call others 'part of the problem' !

When it comes to resolving social issues, a major part of 'the problem' is intolerant and aggressive attitudes like this.

It's like a brick wall of angry hatred. Solves nothing. Helps nobody.

YES there are some problems and confusion in the mainstream regarding LGBT issues.
YES dialogue is needed in order that people can understand each other better and society can evolve.

But that dialogue is a two-way thing.
It takes time, and it also requires patience and understanding ON BOTH SIDES.

You have to BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE.

You want respect?. You have to give respect.
You want acceptance and understanding from others? You have to BE accepting and understanding toward others.

You want people to hear YOUR side of the story and not attack you for being different?
Well, then you have to do the same for them, right? And not attack them for being different from you.

You can't make your point against intolerance.... by being intolerant yourself!

"Sit your ass down"
"Delete your account" etc etc

Sound tolerant and progressive to you??
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By the way, you can’t quote this saying ‘an excellence post’ when you are the one scrutinising Shane J who hasn’t been ‘pushy’ ‘aggressive’ at all.


I can admit you’re completely right, but look at the angle that when you aren’t aggressive / intolerant you get people saying ‘calm down oprah’ or whatever.

So what are you to do? It’s easy to get frustrated

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Just look at the amount of intolerance, and pushy and aggressive statements contained in this post.

And you call others 'part of the problem' !

When it comes to resolving social issues, a major part of 'the problem' is intolerant and aggressive attitudes like this.

It's like a brick wall of angry hatred. Solves nothing. Helps nobody.

YES there are some problems and confusion in the mainstream regarding LGBT issues.
YES dialogue is needed in order that people can understand each other better and society can evolve.

But that dialogue is a two-way thing.
It takes time, and it also requires patience and understanding ON BOTH SIDES.

You have to BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE.

You want respect?. You have to give respect.
You want acceptance and understanding from others? You have to BE accepting and understanding toward others.

You want people to hear YOUR side of the story and not attack you for being different?
Well, then you have to do the same for them, right? And not attack them for being different from you.

You can't make your point against intolerance.... by being intolerant yourself!

"Sit your ass down"
"Delete your account" etc etc

Sound tolerant and progressive to you??
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Yes, squirming, that's what I'm doing.

How very straight white male of you to get so defensive when you try to dismiss the struggles of minority groups. Shame on you.
And back you go, 360 degrees with yet another example of your anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight negative stereotyping.

The shame is all yours my friend.

I AM the one who made points in this thread about EQUAL treatment for all.

YOU are the one making bigoted statements.

ANY FOOL CAN SEE THAT. Just re-read our posts.

So squirm, project, deny all you like.

But YOU are the bigot.

END OF

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The shame is all yours my friend.

I AM the one who made points in this thread about EQUAL treatment for all.

YOU are the one making bigoted statements.

ANY FOOL CAN SEE THAT. Just re-read our posts.

So squirm, project, deny all you like.

But YOU are the bigot.

END OF


Still highly defensive. I wonder why that is.

You were the one flying off the handle at posts and statements that weren't even addressed to you. Yet it incensed you so much because you obviously saw yourself in the group I was discussing. That's an issue YOU have to deal with, not me.

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Yes, white supremacy is just negative stereotyping. It doesn't and has never happened. Ok.

You're white, so you're right.

As a straight man, you can also comment that the gay community are overreacting and their struggles aren't real.

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And back you go, 360 degrees with yet another example of your anti-white, anti-male, anti-straight negative stereotyping.

The shame is all yours my friend.

I AM the one who made points in this thread about EQUAL treatment for all.

YOU are the one making bigoted statements.

ANY FOOL CAN SEE THAT. Just re-read our posts.

So squirm, project, deny all you like.

But YOU are the bigot.

END OF

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Chuff adding so much to the thread as usual.
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What I, find annoying is when people like Shane J, in order to put their point across describe it as educating people.

I am educated to degree level, thank you and can make my own mind up as I see fit.

Educating people to his point of view, in my eyes should be called, informing others of his own choices in this matter, not educating them as the term smacks of those who may not hold the same view or persuasion, being ill educated or not as educated as he is by having a different view.

An issue, which could bring better understanding rather than put the back up of one of the participants before the discussion even begins. No one likes to be preached at or told they are stupid when holding a conversation on a topic where they do not agree.

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Oh okay, I get it now, I've been out of practice on this forum.

Some people just arguing with their toenails for the sake of it.

Grand, I've copped it now, I'll ignore it.
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God, black people don't have to deal with this level of bigotry.
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A lot of the time he loads Andrews gun and sits back and observes while Andrew fires his bullets for him,but Andrew is to dim to see Shanes game and last night he had the cheek to call Jonny uneducated !
I think Andrew is using Shane J . He knows stupid showmances get air time and Shane J is his cash cow to get to the final.

Remember a while ago when somebody asked if if he'd get with Courtney and his first response was "to win" ?? .And Courtney was right there next to him .

But I think they're both sex mad attention seekers,and I believe Andrew would go as far as Shane J /Courtney pushes him sexually. Andrew did porn so let's face it he's a male whor who'll do anything ,it's pathetic how desperate he is .

He's actually gay for pay , I know people are saying they think he's in the closet. But I think Andrew is a game player but he's a horny idiot who gets turned on by a drag queen and he thinks he can pretend it's a woman so that when they sneak off together ,he can joke that it was Courtney and not Shane. And how "stunning" Courtney is and he's always saying she's a "sl ut " .
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