[Robodog]

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Shane J has not lived a life yet, he needs to listen to those that have

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

Excellent as always.

[-Sue-]

someone needs to send Ann that memo calling Shane /courtney a 'chav'

[waterhog]

robodog - gold star - sorry if that's a label but you deserve it. great post.

[smudgie]

Yes, labels are not good.
When will people realise there is only one race, the human race.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

someone needs to send Ann that memo calling Shane /courtney a 'chav'

She called Courtney a Chav, and given Courtney is a parody of a woman then that is fair enough

[hazyjo]

It's what I've been saying for years. We will never have equality and eliminate racism until people stop seeing each other as this or that. We should all be the same. Best 'man' for the job and all that. Stop trying to hit targets or worry about offending someone.

It's even worse like when people try to lump themselves into a box - like ShaneJ trying to speak for 'the whole gay community'. Lots seem to do that. Just be more like Amanda and tell them you'll follow your own rules thank you very much.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

You are absolutely right.

....and stop demanding that other people be damned for not having the same opinion in what they believe is right.
Amanda and Wayne summed it up all very nicely last night.

[luvjustin]

This is all any civil rights movement has tried to do over the rears though.

Black Lives Matter.

Stonewall.

Me Too.

None of these group were/are looking for special treatment. They are just drawing attention to the fact that they are not treated equally to everyone else. And if so,W special treatment is required to get everyone to the same level then that is also fair.



And the reason poeple have historically been grouped off (gay people/black people) is because they have been forced to.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

This is all any civil rights movement has tried to do over the rears though.

Black Lives Matter.

Stonewall.

Me Too.

None of these group were/are looking for special treatment. They are just drawing attention to the fact that they are not treated equally to everyone else. And if so,W special treatment is required to get everyone to the same level then that is also fair.

And the reason poeple have historically been grouped off (gay people/black people) is because they have been forced to.

I agree.

It was the labelling and prejudice that got us into trouble in the first place. Collectivist thinking: not seeing people as individuals, but labelling and judging everyone according to 'types'.

The KKK (for example) are racial collectivists: they judge people not as individuals, but according to their 'race'. They then demand people of those races should behave in a certain way.

Black Lives Matter are also racial collectivists who have fallen into the same trap of seeing the race before the individual, and also making judgement and demands based on race.

Check out their demands on 'white people' if you haven't come across it.

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

This tit-for-tat approach just keeps the whole divide alive.


So how best to solve group divides? It's a tricky one.

I guess we have to remember what the ultimate goal is: a society of individuals with equal rights, not a society of divided groups.

While group identity is no doubt useful for raising awareness and to overcome prejudice, it can only work as a temporary measure.
At some point group identity must be abandoned if people want become one with the whole community at large.

It's like a car to take us to a destination, but it is not the destination itself.

So how do we know when our goal has been reached?

Does ALL prejudice have to be eliminated in order for people to say "ok, job done"?

Or is it enough to say "ok there is majority acceptance now, so that will have to do. (and the minority of prejudiced people can go **** themselves)"

My worry is the longer people keep identifying themselves (and each other) as groups, and not as individuals, the harder it will be achieve peace in society and see us all as the individuals we all are.

.

[chuff me dizzy]

Excellent post Robodog So sick of people sticking a label on themselves

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Excellent post Robodog So sick of people sticking a label on themselves

Thanks Chuff

Appreciate your wisdom and support

Glad there are enough of us getting tired of this labelling culture now, it keeps us all divided

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Thanks Chuff

Appreciate your wisdom and support

Glad there are enough of us getting tired of this labelling culture now, it keeps us all divided

Some people LOVE having a label ,its their life they think it is their right

[Niamh.]

"Something came in about the Page 3 thing...and that's when I went: you know what, let me just make a sandwich. It's like a volcano, you see a little bubble pop there and another pop over there and then it's pop pop pop together, you know it's time to go and make a sandwich."

- Shane Lynch, 2018

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"Something came in about the Page 3 thing...and that's when I went: you know what, let me just make a sandwich. It's like a volcano, you see a little bubble pop there and another pop over there and then it's pop pop pop together, you know it's time to go and make a sandwich."

- Shane Lynch, 2018

[Tom4784]

She's entitled to not want to get involved if she wants but I utterly despise how people will use statements like that to try to demonise and downplay movements that make them uncomfortable.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Amanda (when talking to Wayne in the bathroom):

"I really believe - just take people as they are. Take the bloody labels off!"

Love it.

This is the whole point of equality, in a nutshell:
To see people as the individuals we all are.
Because as individuals - we stand as equals.
We are all a minority of one:
Equally as important, equally as unique as the next.

Doesn't matter what your race/gender/religion/sexual preference is - we are all an one off.

As long as we keep segregating ourselves off into different 'communities', then we deny our individuality, we reduce ourselves down to faceless cogs in the wheel of the chosen 'group'.

Splitting people up into groups like this does not create equality.
Quite the opposite. It's more like tribal warfare.

My gay/straight/black/white friends and family members are all part of the same community, OUR community.
Why would we want to separate ourselves off into 'different communities'??
What would that achieve exactly?

This is the problem with labelling people.

It's the same way racism works: label people according to their superficial 'type' and then separate and judge them for it, ordering them into some kind of 'social rating system' :

"This group are all like this. While this other group are all like that!"

It's stereotypical to do this!

Individuals matter.
Groups are vague, generalised concepts: 'groups' don't have feelings.
Individuals have feelings.

Amanda is right: take people as they are (individually) and take the labels off.

[Marches]

This was such a fantastic quote btw and a great way to think about life that everyone should adopt. We’ve been going so far the other way as a society lately we need more people like Amanda

[GoldHeart]

Just for that quote alone Amanda should be in the final instead of Shane J .

[Livia]

I've seen Stonewall mentioned on this forum several times now. Stonewall's motto is 'Acceptance without exception'. So if you're going to use it as an example, it would be fitting to apply that motto to everyone even when it's hard to do.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She called Courtney a Chav, and given Courtney is a parody of a woman then that is fair enough

How is it?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've seen Stonewall mentioned on this forum several times now. Stonewall's motto is 'Acceptance without exception'. So if you're going to use it as an example, it would be fitting to apply that motto to everyone even when it's hard to do.

yes and if they dont accept it call them scum and hate on them

[chuff me dizzy]

What a better world it would be if people would drop the labels they stick on themselves .... If people are nice be they black, white,gay or straight ,no one needs the label and to demand special treatment because you own a label will get you nowhere in life

[caprimint]

Any of Shane/Courtney's quotes are better than this