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CBB21 Celebrity Big Brother January 2018 [CBB 21] (dubbed Year of the Women). Discuss the housemates and series - which was won by Courtney Act - here.
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02-02-2018, 02:22 PM | #26 | |||
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Yes . And Rachel at the time asked Ann's thoughts on that . And that's how the whole debate started . And India won't let go of it , they had that disagreement a month ago ! .
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02-02-2018, 02:23 PM | #27 | ||
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02-02-2018, 02:26 PM | #28 | |||
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If what Vicky is says is correct though, they're not allowing any proper research into whether or not having the operation actually reduces suicide rates amongst Transgenders (That is what you've said before Vicky, right?) I wonder what the logic behind that is, it's certainly not the way to tackle the problem amongst this group of people
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02-02-2018, 02:27 PM | #29 | ||
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02-02-2018, 02:28 PM | #30 | ||
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Suicide rates among transpeople are pretty high to start with (possibly due to co-morbid mental health issues, possibly due to how society treats them). The endless repeating of the suicide stats (and in many cases manipulation of suicide stats to make them look higher than they are) will not help matters at all. https://www.samaritans.org/media-cen...-key-phenomena I actually did not know any of this as little as 3 months back. It shocked me how stuff like this could have such an effect. Search suicide contagion...if you have a few hours to get lost in it. I spent like a whole day reading articles about it.
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02-02-2018, 02:29 PM | #31 | ||
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02-02-2018, 02:29 PM | #32 | |||
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She didn't actually say either why she did that ,at the time she never said why she didn't go private .
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02-02-2018, 02:31 PM | #33 | |||
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02-02-2018, 02:31 PM | #34 | |||
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I found her a bit shady like she was trying to instigate fights and sit back and watch . I know people find that entertainment but it got boring .
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02-02-2018, 02:42 PM | #35 | ||
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Media reporting and such is really really detrimental. If you tell a group of people they have a 50% chance of attempting suicide repeatedly, it does get into their heads and make matters worse and is likely to actually raise the suicide rates of the group involved. Hence the samaritans guidelines on media reporting of suicides. (The suicide rate rising after surgery though, seems to be based on older studies. As no recent ones have been done. I did not know this until someone posted a link about it yesterday as the only study I have ever read did show that long term, surgery really does not help) With more and more people identifying as trans, research really really needs to be done into it. Especially when so many kids are saying they are the opposite sex too. Honestly, the kids saying they are trans really strikes me as...its trendy right now. Like when I was at school everyone was 'bi' as thats just what was the trend at the time (not saying sexuality is a choice, but I am sure people will understand what is meant here) and before that it was everyone was a punk, or whatever. Those were harmless 'trends' though, where this trans thing is not harmless as if medicated it can effect you for the rest of your life.
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02-02-2018, 02:47 PM | #36 | |||
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-comments.html https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ersal-research http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7965281.html --- Its all mental to me. it really is. Any and all research into this should be welcomed by all. Its very serious and should be understood more. And of course longterm followups should be done to check that these treatment regimes really are effective in helping people. I seem to have taken this thread offtopic now
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02-02-2018, 02:56 PM | #38 | ||
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Since this is offtopic anyway (not sure if I should delete my own posts here or not?)
https://www.transgendertrend.com/wp-...spian-talk.pdf This is Caspians speech when this matter was taken to parliament. I challenge anyone reading that to deem him transphobic, rather than actually caring about his patients and their wellbeing.
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02-02-2018, 02:58 PM | #39 | |||
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The thing about it is, that surely if you are a transgender person you would want this studied before you go and have major surgery?
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02-02-2018, 03:01 PM | #40 | ||
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Its all such a huge mess. The ever expanding label of 'transgender' does not help matters at all. As transsexual people are lumped in with fetishists and people who simply do not follow stereotypes. Where obviously transsexuality is a totally different ballgame to either of those groups.
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02-02-2018, 04:04 PM | #41 | |||
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And I disagree with trans kids wanting gender reassignment so early in their life , their brains aren't fully developed yet. By all means if they are still unhappy in their body and want to still have the operation when they're 18 then fair enough . I also wonder how much research was done with Lili Elbe who was one of the very first transgender women, I didn't even know they did those operations back then . |
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02-02-2018, 04:13 PM | #42 | |||
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For many "transitioning" neither helps with dysphoria but also its a bit of the grass is greener on the other side senario-they end up being disappointed that their life isnt how they expected it to be after transition. Which is why its been suggested, and i agree, we need more research and solutions if we truly want to hep trans people and others with mental heath conditions. |
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02-02-2018, 04:16 PM | #43 | ||
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02-02-2018, 04:18 PM | #44 | |||
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Yeah Ann even said one of the other hm's mentioned cancer not her .
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02-02-2018, 04:31 PM | #45 | ||
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People like to make out detransitioners are as rare as hens teeth. This is not exactly true. There was a survey done actually fairly recently (I think it was last year) on FtM detransitioners and from the results of that, it appeared that many of them did not have the counselling and such that should clearly have been done and hormones etc were pretty much thrown at them instantly (some claimed they had had no counselling at all). And then of course you have the added issue of 'transgender/transactivist' people online encouraging trans people to buy hormones off the internet as there is too much 'gatekeeping' when done the correct way. As I said, all a huge mess right now. I have a trans family member and it only took them 3 appointments of an hour a time before they were offered hormones. This is no way long enough to be able to do indepth assessments to see that this is the right treatment choice. Now it does seem (so far) that this was the correct treatment for them personally, though they also had to arrange their own counselling sessions as the 'rules' state that only 'affirmation' is acceptable and this was not what they wanted. They had hormones (and a boob job) to help alleviate the dysphoria about their sexed body..but they also wanted therapy to come to terms with never being able to actually be the opposite sex. They went through loads and loads of therapists before they found one willing to take the approach that they wanted rather than the whole 'oh you ARE the opposite sex hun x' type crap.
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02-02-2018, 06:12 PM | #46 | |||
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@ Vicky this is why the detransitioners I know have become highly critical of the whole gender thing, the money making industry behind the surgery boom and of the language and the idea that biological sex is somehow offensive. I'm really not someone who likes to upset people but I think this whole issue is why people no onger have tolerance and are tired of it
India is the perfect example of the type of transwoman people have an issue with. No one cared that India was trans, but India had to be center of attention, India had to have had it the hardest, India had to be the most womanist woman ever and shove it in everyones faces. Sorry if this is a harsh thing to say but doing that is not going to make people sympathise with you, its going to make everyone think you're an a****** But yes to everything you, Niamh and GoldHeart said. Last edited by Lstan; 02-02-2018 at 06:15 PM. |
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02-02-2018, 06:47 PM | #47 | ||
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I think India was very unhappy with her transition to be honest.
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02-02-2018, 06:50 PM | #48 | |||
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I think some trans people are unhappy after the operation .
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02-02-2018, 07:03 PM | #49 | ||
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Yes and India was still banging on about it on The Wright Stuff this morning, she just won't let it go.
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02-02-2018, 07:19 PM | #50 | ||
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'India' is probably a little bit mental, which might explain the strange appearance.
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