[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No the point that was made was the majority preferred Shane J which may not be the case, as it’s the most votes cast rather than the most people decide the winner, you yourself are a perfect example you said you voted all day long,so if that is true then given the final voting percentages its likely you alone took Shane over the line

Yeah If the voting percentage was accurate then it was pretty close , which i'm actually happy about atleast Ann had a chance of winning as there was only 10 % in it ! . I would of been more annoyed if it was a Toff victory like IAC where nobody had a chance of beating her .

I think alot of Shane J fans were abroad or didn't entirely vote , we were lead to believe by the polls that it would be a landslide win but that's not the case .
If only Ann got more votes but i knew Shane J would win unfortunately .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No the point that was made was the majority preferred Shane J which may not be the case, as it’s the most votes cast rather than the most people decide the winner, you yourself are a perfect example you said you voted all day long,so if that is true then given the final voting percentages its likely you alone took Shane over the line

reasoning by those unhappy with the result gets more and more bitter and desperate, but whatevaaaaaaaaa
coz Shane J is our winner

[Withano]

44:56 is a landslide victory no, a 12% difference is huge. Surely the easiest win in several years.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by riceflick

There is no "prejudice" against Ann... the backlash against her had everything to do with her own bigotry, not the fact that she's long in the tooth (literally and figuratively).

My point was about hypocrisy: how people make vindictive or ageist comments about someone - in the name of being 'anti prejudice'

It's just attacking one form of prejudice by using another.

Simply adding more hatred to the pile of hatred.

Your post is, ironically, a similar example: because you have labelled her a 'bigot' you think that gives you an excuse to mock her appearance

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Robodog

My point was about hypocrisy: how people make vindictive or ageist comments about someone - in the name of being 'anti prejudice'

It's just attacking one form of prejudice by using another.

Simply adding more hatred to the pile of hatred.

Your post is, ironically, a similar example: because you have labelled her a 'bigot' you think that gives you an excuse to mock her appearance

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

reasoning by those unhappy with the result gets more and more bitter and desperate, but whatevaaaaaaaaa
coz Shane J is our winner

Couldn't you be more magnanimous in victory.

It would make this post less schoolyard. There are other just as effective ways to be happy about winning without taunting.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Couldn't you be more magnanimous in victory.

It would make this post less schoolyard. There are other just as effective ways to be happy about winning without taunting.

Too right

Can you imagine if we boasted & gloated and acted childish if Ann won, pretty sure that wouldn't go down well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

reasoning by those unhappy with the result gets more and more bitter and desperate, but whatevaaaaaaaaa
coz Shane J is our winner

honestly I could care less who the wins as I never vote, I made a exception this year and pushed the boat out and voted twice for Ann

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

This became a LGTB promotion, the aim was to discredit Ann and play on their members insecurities akin with a well versed candidate who would challenge boundaries.

It was obvious because there was the same boundary challenges in the sixties with the free love, music and drugs challenges to their previous generations.

Those who were there will recognize it for what it is. It's nothing new but there is an interesting take on this.

Who or what is then going to challenge this in the next generation. The young will always want to push boundaries in whatever genre or life style which brings them the most rebellious satisfaction.

Be careful what you wish for, today's free loving generation, your children may well bring in a far worse prudery than Ann has ever tried to edict.

Well said!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

reasoning by those unhappy with the result gets more and more bitter and desperate, but whatevaaaaaaaaa
coz Shane J is our winner

The winner of a fast-declining channel 5 reality show. Big deal. Most soon saw the real Shane underneath all the pink hair and blatant LBGT sexism.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Robodog

My point was about hypocrisy: how people make vindictive or ageist comments about someone - in the name of being 'anti prejudice'

It's just attacking one form of prejudice by using another.

Simply adding more hatred to the pile of hatred.

Your post is, ironically, a similar example: because you have labelled her a 'bigot' you think that gives you an excuse to mock her appearance

Well said

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Withano

44:56 is a landslide victory no, a 12% difference is huge. Surely the easiest win in several years.

For a controversial politician like Ann I’d say that’s certinaly putting up a fight. I expected her to be out early

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marches

For a controversial politician like Ann I’d say that’s certinaly putting up a fight. I expected her to be out early

On a vote to save? Are you new to celebrity big brother?

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Withano

On a vote to save? Are you new to celebrity big brother?

?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marches

?

People were voting to save, controversial characters will almost always get to the final, a character like Ann was always gonna be a finalist unless she was ever put in a head to head.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Withano

People were voting to save, controversial characters will almost always get to the final, a character like Ann was always gonna be a finalist unless she was ever put in a head to head.

yeah, that worked super well for india

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yeah, that worked super well for india

...India lost a head to head...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marches

For a controversial politician like Ann I’d say that’s certinaly putting up a fight. I expected her to be out early

Ann beat the odds whereas Shane was the fashionable winner. As Ann did so much better than people would have ever predicted she is the real winner.

She is white, old and Tory on a young fashionable and generally left show and she still came second. Speaks volumes that the world isn’t as ‘fashionable’ As many like to think.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Couldn't you be more magnanimous in victory.

It would make this post less schoolyard. There are other just as effective ways to be happy about winning without taunting.

Believe me, I'd love nothing better. But the pathetic attempts to dismiss, distort and denigrate the obvious success of ShaneJ/Courtney have forced me to react like that. I'd be very happy to admit Ann's impact and success for example, but can't do that in peace because of constant attacts on ShaneJ on this forum.
Mind you, neither can I agree with statements like the title of this thread that Ann is disgusting. She isn't. But there you go, it seems OTT is how you do things here guys.

[joeysteele]

I don't get the title of this thread.
Ann is not disgusting.
Some of her views are,in my opinion, but that doesn't make her disgusting.

I likely will never agree with two thirds at least of her views but I would have talked with her about hers and mine,likely neither changing anything the others thinking,as to views on issues.

What she has been,(and early on I felt Politicians won't do well on this show),for me is compulsive viewing all through.

I thought Amanda would have been my favourite but rapidly Ann and Shane J became my top 2.
As the series went on,Shane took over from Ann as my one to win.
I however surprisingly,would have been happy with Ann taking it too.

She has been a really strong housemate, to have come runner up is really a good achievement for her.
She was in the end, some way behind Shane J in votes,Emma described his win a win with a massive 49% of the votes broken down for all finalists.
Near 56% to 44% between only Shane J and Ann.

She did really well being fair to her and really this has been a series where only 2 housemates were likely real contenders all through,Shane J and Ann.
Well done to both of them and to both sets of supporters again for bringing them both that far right to the end.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Believe me, I'd love nothing better. But the pathetic attempts to dismiss, distort and denigrate the obvious success of ShaneJ/Courtney have forced me to react like that. I'd be very happy to admit Ann's impact and success for example, but can't do that in peace because of constant attacts on ShaneJ on this forum.
Mind you, neither can I agree with statements like the title of this thread that Ann is disgusting. She isn't. But there you go, it seems OTT is how you do things here guys.

You don't have to join those who write that stuff either, it's easy to rise above it.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't get the title of this thread.
Ann is not disgusting.
Some of her views are,in my opinion, but that doesn't make her disgusting.

I likely will never agree with two thirds at least of her views but I would have talked with her about hers and mine,likely neither changing anything the others thinking,as to views on issues.

What she has been,(and early on I felt Politicians won't do well on this show),for me is compulsive viewing all through.

I thought Amanda would have been my favourite but rapidly Ann and Shane J became my top 2.
As the series went on,Shane took over from Ann as my one to win.
I however surprisingly,would have been happy with Ann taking it too.

She has been a really strong housemate, to have come runner up is really a good achievement for her.
She was in the end, some way behind Shane J in votes,Emma described his win a win with a massive 49% of the votes broken down for all finalists.
Near 56% to 44% between only Shane J and Ann.

She did really well being fair to her and really this has been a series where only 2 housemates were likely real contenders all through,Shane J and Ann.
Well done to both of them and to both sets of supporters again for bringing them both that far right to the end.

What a well thought out post. I haven't always agreed with you but it is spot on.

[ethanjames]

I'm sorry but she voted against my rights so why should i have any respect for her????

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

You don't have to join those who write that stuff either, it's easy to rise above it.

I skip a lot, but sometimes it's too unfair not to try and correct it.

[indywolf13]

great post joeysteele i neither hated ann and this thread comment was out of order . shane j then ann was the best result both great characters . what annoys me is the slating of shane j, just pure jealousy one of the nicest guys you could meet compared to some of the drag queens in LA all he did wrong as get passionate about a subject and frolicked with a housemate . compared to other seasons thats tame . also arguing about multi voting pointless quite sure there wouldve been ann fans doing same she lost deal with it quite sure she isnt as bothered about it as some on here are