[Mystic Mock]

I think that it's a possibility, it would certainly make more sense as to how the universe was created with a system in mind than a random big bang just created everything.

However I do believe that organised Religions are all fake and are no different to the Arthurian Legend or the Greek Mythology.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The way I see it , if there's nothing after death then why are we here in the first place and what would be the point if there's no afterlife ??!.

And I guess it's all about Faith ,we'll see what happens for ourselves .

I agree with all of this.

I also want to add that alot of people go through life living through hardship and pain just to die and not be rewarded with some form of an afterlife? that's just too cruel even by my standards.

I like the Islamic version of the afterlife for men.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I agree with all of this.

I also want to add that alot of people go through life living through hardship and pain just to die and not be rewarded with some form of an afterlife? that's just too cruel even by my standards.

I like the Islamic version of the afterlife for men.

If they are not rewarded with an afterlife, at least the pain stops.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If they are not rewarded with an afterlife, at least the pain stops.

It kinda feels like their life was meaningless as what was the whole point of putting up with things like a harsh boss at work? The Tory Government? Or trying to keep a roof over your head just to survive at a basic level if it all comes to nothing?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It kinda feels like their life was meaningless as what was the whole point of putting up with things like a harsh boss at work? The Tory Government? Or trying to keep a roof over your head just to survive at a basic level if it all comes to nothing?

Well yeah I guess it is quite depressing But if your life really is that ****, then death and the end of the ****ness is a good thing, no matter what. Surely.

[Ammi]

...hmm, I don’t want to believe in life after death...because I don’t instinctively believe with the ‘logic’ of that...but then when my dad died, I realised his body was ‘empty’ and just a ‘vessel’ of all the things that had been him and his essence...his whole spirit, if that would be what it was called, everything that made him who and what he was...so I just kind of thought..well, is that still ‘out there’, somewhere...does that have an ‘afterlife’ and a new beginning in another ‘vessel’.../...so much in the entire universe that we don’t know or understand.../..so much ‘underscovered’...and no possibility of discovering because of the very nature of it and what ‘death’ would prevent...

[AnnieK]

I would like to believe it, I would love to catch up with loved ones who have gone before.....however I don't think I can believe it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ross.

Yes I do, so many small things that have happened to me personally make me believe that there’s a life after death and I’m being watched over by those I’ve lost

I have no concrete evidence to prove it of course (don’t start LT), but I see no harm in believing

I agree Ross.

Like you I have come across things that have no real scientific or physical explanation.
Without looking for same myself and from my teenage years being sceptical.
Now I have been moved over to believing there is.

Often as to scientific reasoning,there are wide,differing and contradiction anyway from scientists.
It depends from what standpoint you are looking at things from.

I was sceptical but held an open mind,so many people I met in life stated things which,if a mind is kept open,can make far more sense than scrambling for a universal scientific explanation.

Then my own experiences too.
I am both pleased and surprised by how the poll is going,when I voted on this last night,I felt it would be a vastly overwhelming no.

Some strong points made here by many, on what has for me,become in life a far more interesting and thought provoking topic.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I don't get people's reasoning of what's the point of life otherwise? Well.....life is the point

But what's so bad about just dying anyway? Sleeping is one of my favourite things to do so I'm absolutely fine with that

That's the way I see it, it would be like drifting under anaesthetic, it is what comes before death that I worry about

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It kinda feels like their life was meaningless as what was the whole point of putting up with things like a harsh boss at work? The Tory Government? Or trying to keep a roof over your head just to survive at a basic level if it all comes to nothing?

Most people are on this earth for 80 plus years, how can it be meaningless to try to do well in life, meet someone you can love, travel, accomplish dreams, let your genes live on in your children, grandchildren, you have 60 plus years ahead of you if you are lucky, it would be such a waste to just sit around thinking oh well this is it may as well not bother, yes it can be a grind at time but that is life, you can change the boss and the Tory's won't always be in power, generally you hear people who have received a terminal diagnosis say they live every day to the full as life is for living and i think if any of us got that diagnosis today we would be clinging to the life we had no matter how bad we thought it is

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The way I see it , if there's nothing after death then why are we here in the first place and what would be the point if there's no afterlife ??!.

And I guess it's all about Faith ,we'll see what happens for ourselves .

Life is the point though? Why isn't that good enough?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ross.

Bye it’s terrifying Niamh don’t act tough!

What's terrifying about it though, were you terrified before you were born?

[Redway]

I do and I don’t.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Life is the point though? Why isn't that good enough?

Exactly, so we just mooch along as there is something better to come, I don't think so! I'm probably going to hell anyway so may as well enjoy where I am

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Exactly, so we just mooch along as there is something better to come, I don't think so! I'm probably going to hell anyway so may as well enjoy where I am

a woman after my own heart

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There can never be evidence of life after death in reality as..noone can come back from the dead. I know some people who die for a few seconds report bright lights and such but that can be explained by science. Dead dead people cannot tell us whats there, if anything

So it really is a faith thing. I think that humans like to believe there is something else as the thought of nothing scares them. I am the opposite, the thought of nothing makes me look forward to it. Thats morbid as **** but yeah...sometimes I really do wish I believed in something, and envy those that do.

Apparently love can be explained by science though, I read about it somewhere..something to do with hormones or chemicals or something

Well, science have put forward theories on those things but there is no definitive proof. We don't even really know how the human brain works, so I'm not expecting science to come up with any kind of proof any time soon, even if there is some.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ross.

Yes I do, so many small things that have happened to me personally make me believe that there’s a life after death and I’m being watched over by those I’ve lost

I have no concrete evidence to prove it of course (don’t start LT), but I see no harm in believing

There isn't any harm in believing . I read a quote that said

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is."

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There isn't any harm in believing . I read a quote that said

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is."

I would just rather live my life

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would just rather live my life

Aren't we all living our lives . But there's nothing wrong with Wondering about the afterlife .

[joeysteele]

I agree wholeheartedly science only has theories.
Scientists disagree on life after death,as do medics too.

Of course no one knows for sure and I don't think life after death belief requires a religious faith either.

It's a fascinating topic that has no real certainty either side at all to it.
Science for sure cannot explain aspects to it, science often comes across more confused by it than those sceptical of it,or those keeping an open mind as to it too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Aren't we all living our lives . But there's nothing wrong with Wondering about the afterlife .

I never said there was anything wrong with wondering about it

[Jamie89]

I don't believe in it but I think it's pretty amazing that we're able to contemplate it. And I don't think there's any grand meaning to life, we're just part of an ecosystem and 'meaning' is just existing, but I don't that's a depressing outlook, it's all an incredible accident of nature that we're even here and even more incredible that we can think about this stuff, so I don't really think there needs to be more than what we already have in terms of life for it to be thought of as worthwhile.

[jaxie]

I would say no quite firmly. However I will also admit that I have had a couple of experiences along those lines that I can't explain.

One example is I went to see a medium lady once with someone else. I was just going along as their sidekick and I'll admit to have a quiet laugh at the whole thing and the medium lady didn't know I was attending until we turned up together. This person kind of ignored my companion and said a bunch of stuff to me that I can't explain. I told her nothing about myself and she didn't know my last name.

Among other things, she said my dad was there and said his name correctly. She asked if he had something wrong with his legs. My dad was disabled and had both his legs amputated which she couldn't have known. Then she started talking about my sister who had passed and said she looked a lot like me. I looked at her like she was crazy and said I've never had a sister. Then she said 'was there a baby that died?' and I admit I felt a bit shocked. You see I was one of twins and my mum had a miscarriage when she was about 3 months pregnant and lost her baby, except she was still pregnant with me and they told her she lost one of twins which apparently can happen though is rare. No one knows about that but me and my parents and I don't think I've ever mentioned it to friends.

Oh and the icing on the cake? As we were leaving she said to my companion to check the oil in their car as there was something wrong. They checked the oil and everything seemed fine. Two days after that they broke down on the hard shoulder of the motorway with a serious oil leak and nearly had a nasty accident.

So I'm a firm non believer who can't explain any of that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I would say no quite firmly. However I will also admit that I have had a couple of experiences along those lines that I can't explain.

One example is I went to see a medium lady once with someone else. I was just going along as their sidekick and I'll admit to have a quiet laugh at the whole thing and the medium lady didn't know I was attending until we turned up together. This person kind of ignored my companion and said a bunch of stuff to me that I can't explain. I told her nothing about myself and she didn't know my last name.

Among other things, she said my dad was there and said his name correctly. She asked if he had something wrong with his legs. My dad was disabled and had both his legs amputated which she couldn't have known. Then she started talking about my sister who had passed and said she looked a lot like me. I looked at her like she was crazy and said I've never had a sister. Then she said 'was there a baby that died?' and I admit I felt a bit shocked. You see I was one of twins and my mum had a miscarriage when she was about 3 months pregnant and lost her baby, except she was still pregnant with me and they told her she lost one of twins which apparently can happen though is rare. No one knows about that but me and my parents and I don't think I've ever mentioned it to friends.

Oh and the icing on the cake? As we were leaving she said to my companion to check the oil in their car as there was something wrong. They checked the oil and everything seemed fine. Two days after that they broke down on the hard shoulder of the motorway with a serious oil leak and nearly had a nasty accident.

So I'm a firm non believer who can't explain any of that.

I have strong doubts as to mediums although others have relayed some interesting points after seeing one.

Your account,considering you said virtually nothing yet got so much said that applied.
That was a really interesting read.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have strong doubts as to mediums although others have relayed some interesting points after seeing one.

Your account,considering you said virtually nothing yet got so much said that applied.
That was a really interesting read.

I'm a very big sceptic Joey so I was very careful not to give her anything. It was weird and she refunded the person I went with as she got nothing for them at all apart from the car bit at the end. She did say it happens like that sometimes as she has no control over it.

I was literally just there as a tag along and to keep the person company and to scoff a bit.

So yeah I can't explain any of that. My dad's name she could have guessed. The legs thing I don't know because it's not really the 'usual' thing people have wrong with them.