[Northern Monkey]

Corbyn 'The Collaborator': Czech spy reveals how he recruited Labour leader and used him as an 'asset' to create network of informants in Russian operation.

.Ex Czech secret agent Jan Sarkocy said Jeremy Corbyn was a paid informant
.Said he was rated by Russia who made plans to move him out there if discovered
.Labour leader's spokesman dismissed the allegations branding them 'smears'

Jeremy Corbyn was a paid informant of the Czech secret police at the height of the Cold War, a former Communist secret agent claims

Former spy Jan Sarkocy said he recruited the MP, codenamed Cob, in the 1980s.

Mr Corbyn was an ‘asset’ who knew he was working with the Soviet puppet state, Mr Sarkocy claimed.

Earlier this week it emerged Mr Corbyn had hosted Mr Sarkocy – who was posted to Britain as a diplomat under a fake identity – in the House of Commons.






http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...py-claims.html

[Underscore]

Wouldn't surprise me tbh.

[Underscore]

BUT this is the Daily Mail so I shall take it with a pinch of salt.

[bitontheslide]

Hmmm, i guess anything is possible, but i'm not inclined to believe it without at least some form of evidence

[Tom4784]

I don't think it's realistic, this is real life, not Homeland.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hmmm, i guess anything is possible, but i'm not inclined to believe it without at least some form of evidence

There is evidence that the Czech government identified Corbyn as someone sympathetic to the Soviet cause and had a file on him where they used the codename 'Cob'. Corbyn admitted that he met with a Czech diplomat but claims he didn't know he was a security agent

The Sun had that exclusive a couple of days ago but this new claim today that he was actually a paid informant hasn't been collaborated

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think it's realistic, this is real life, not Homeland.

This sort of thing went on all the time in the Cold War

[MTVN]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/558116...war-briefings/

[parmnion]

Busy man...no wonder he can keep his beard so well groomed.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/558116...war-briefings/

So they went to the trouble of giving him a code name for some circumstances, but then plastered his full name all over other documents? worst spies ever tbh.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So they went to the trouble of giving him a code name for some circumstances, but then plastered his full name all over other documents? worst spies ever tbh.

When half the public believes everything is #fakenews, it's pretty easy to get away with this kind of stuff though... I mean look at half the threads. Nobody thought Trump would be elected either and here we are...

They are effective because they can sew distrust... even just a story, whether proven or not, turns some people off and hurts the voting numbers here (again, see 2016 election). Because nobody knows what /really/ to believe anymore..

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There is evidence that the Czech government identified Corbyn as someone sympathetic to the Soviet cause and had a file on him where they used the codename 'Cob'. Corbyn admitted that he met with a Czech diplomat but claims he didn't know he was a security agent

The Sun had that exclusive a couple of days ago but this new claim today that he was actually a paid informant hasn't been collaborated

The Russia of that time is what the current Labour leadership want for the UK, so I guess its all feasible, I'm just a bit surprised its not been mentioned before

[jaxie]

I think it's clear there is something shady about Jeremy's past sympathies generally which does pose worrying questions about him as a potential leader. I have no idea whether this story is all it seems but one thing that can't be denied is that there was an association.

Overall the most worrying thing about this man is that in the eyes of some he can do no wrong. That kind of blind trust without question is dangerous. Though you have to look on with a little amazement at the current power of spin.

[joeysteele]

I have no interest in what the so called newspapers present as fact with nothing substantiated.

I glanced at the press reviews last night on TV,where it was felt this was a real non story.
That in the 80s with the changes in the Eastern bloc Nations happening,people were in and out of Westminster regularly.

It was further stated on that press review that the man who is the source of this,is a totally discredited and unreliable source.

Furthermore the reviewers and presenter revealed the Czech authorities have dismissed this story of events too.

So I'll settle for that unless something is proven,rather than be taken in by the likes of the Sun,Mail and Telegraph bandwagon rolling again.
It really does astound me anyone takes seriously what they read in all papers now.
'News'papers are what they certainly are not anymore in my view.
Far better shoving them on fiction stands now rather than news ones.

[Alf]

Well if it's definitely untrue, then I'm assuming that Corbyn will sue for slander?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have no interest in what the so called newspapers present as fact with nothing substantiated.

I glanced at the press reviews last night on TV,where it was felt this was a real non story.
That in the 80s with the changes in the Eastern bloc Nations happening,people were in and out of Westminster regularly.

It was further stated on that press review that the man who is the source of this,is a totally discredited and unreliable source.

Furthermore the reviewers and presenter revealed the Czech authorities have dismissed this story of events too.

So I'll settle for that unless something is proven,rather than be taken in by the likes of the Sun,Mail and Telegraph bandwagon rolling again.
It really does astound me anyone takes seriously what they read in all papers now.
'News'papers are what they certainly are not anymore in my view.
Far better shoving them on fiction stands now rather than news ones.

I'm relieved that the only dodgy people he's associated with are the IRA and various islamic terrorists and hatepreachers.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well if it's definitely untrue, then I'm assuming that Corbyn will sue for slander?

This debate has been held on other threads,if Politicians sued for every wrong thing the press said about them,they would never be out the Courts.

Politicians on all sides seem to now more likely choose to just not give credibility to the nonsense printed about them.
Probably wiser so to do in fact too, although I wish they would.

Otherwise this endless disservice given by the press particularly,regardless of political persuasion,will just go on and on.
Gutter journalism is what the UK has now in my opinion.

Of course a free press is a good thing but freedom should come with responsibilities too,in my view anyway.

Also when front page rubbish is shown to be so,apologies should fill said front page,not hidden at the bottom of an inner page.

Almost another waste of time then taking the press to task,when the story is highlighted but the apology more likely to go unnoticed.

[MTVN]

Sorry but it is historical fact that the Czech intelligence service identified Corbyn, arranged to meet him and kept a file on him. That information can't be denied. The story in the OP is just reporting a claim by a former Czech agent, those unhappy with that claim should take issue with him not the newspaper who are merely acting as the messenger

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry but it is historical fact that the Czech intelligence service identified Corbyn, arranged to meet him and kept a file on him. That information can't be denied. The story in the OP is just reporting a claim by a former Czech agent, those unhappy with that claim should take issue with him not the newspaper who are merely acting as the messenger

I wonder why they did that?..He was just a British MP and diplomat after all.

The claim by the former agent states that he got nothing of any value from the meeting, so where is the issue?
Corbyn wasn't ( even if true) the first to be duped by an agent and he won't be the last, the fact is that there was no useful info gleaned from him so what is the point of the story here?

The point of the story was to 'break' at the same time as those celebrating the 15th anniversary of Corbyns 'stop the war' speech, #fake news was touched upon earlier... this is a prime example.
In fact this news item could quite possibly have been generated by the same bots, or those with similar aims, that is entirely plausible.

Aside from the claim that many are inclined not to believe it the flip side of that is many are very much inclined to believe it, which of course was the aim of the item regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact or not.

[Kizzy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8211816.html

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wonder why they did that?..He was just a British MP and diplomat after all.

The claim by the former agent states that he got nothing of any value from the meeting, so where is the issue?
Corbyn wasn't ( even if true) the first to be duped by an agent and he won't be the last, the fact is that there was no useful info gleaned from him so what is the point of the story here?

The point of the story was to 'break' at the same time as those celebrating the 15th anniversary of Corbyns 'stop the war' speech, #fake news was touched upon earlier... this is a prime example.
In fact this news item could quite possibly have been generated by the same bots, or those with similar aims, that is entirely plausible.

Aside from the claim that many are inclined not to believe it the flip side of that is many are very much inclined to believe it, which of course was the aim of the item regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact or not.

Were people really 'celebrating' the 15th anniversary of a speech? How odd

He was identified because they thought he'd be sympathetic to the Soviet cause. At best Corbyn was naive to meet with the Czech three times, at worst he was deliberately assisting a member of the Czech Intelligence services. Neither reflects very well on his judgement

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Were people really 'celebrating' the 15th anniversary of a speech? How odd

He was identified because they thought he'd be sympathetic to the Soviet cause. At best Corbyn was naive to meet with the Czech three times, at worst he was deliberately assisting a member of the Czech Intelligence services. Neither reflects very well on his judgement

Yes, it was a wonderful speech.

They thought wrong then didn't they?

Is it any different to Priti Patel meeting Israeli officials off the record?
That was poor judgement from a minister wasn't it?

Essentially what you are saying is MPs and diplomats shouldn't meet with anyone... how then are international relations to improve?
What do we pay our representatives to do then?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes, it was a wonderful speech.

They thought wrong then didn't they?

Is it any different to Priti Patel meeting Israeli officials off the record?
That was poor judgement from a minister wasn't it?

Essentially what you are saying is MPs and diplomats shouldn't meet with anyone... how then are international relations to improve?
What do we pay our representatives to do then?

It was indeed poor judgement and Priti Patel had to resign her cabinet position. I assume Jezza's resignation as leader of his party is imminent?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes, it was a wonderful speech.

They thought wrong then didn't they?

Is it any different to Priti Patel meeting Israeli officials off the record?
That was poor judgement from a minister wasn't it?

Essentially what you are saying is MPs and diplomats shouldn't meet with anyone... how then are international relations to improve?
What do we pay our representatives to do then?

Corbyn tends to be more interested in picking sides than genuinely improving relations though, and those sides are basically anyone who opposes the West

[joeysteele]

Personally I agree it showed anything from poor judgement to inexperience on his part.

He really could not be that much use to them,he only became an MP in 1983,was a lowly,irrelevant really backbencher in the opposition party,an opposition in the years 1983 to 1991 particularly,that looked a world away from power too anyway.

Judging politicians on bad judgement however opens up many doors,I doubt few politicians could escape the charge in their political careers,of having bad judgement at times.

There are still many reservations I hold myself as to Corbyn,however I've still not come across anything with full evidence of concrete substantiated fact,that paints him as the demon some of the media portray him as.
I still agree with then,(at this time),those on the BBC press review and sky press review last night,which was this was more a non story.