[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The show isn't about 2 out of 3 of the things you listed there though so no that's not what it's supposed to be about, it may be what you wish it was about but it isn't

Any story about Zombies is supposed to have at least 2 of those things that I've listed, if they don't then they're a poor Zombie story and are false advertising themselves, especially when TWD in particular do alot of trailers showing the characters having alot of action scenes and villains to take on, and then when people actually watch the show in execution they instead get love triangles and other sappy romances that are written in a dated manner taking up large chunks of an episode, it's certainly not what the show was suppose to be about in it's inception, and I bet it's not something that the writers wanted but AMC forced them into doing with people like Lori's character being made into such a "big" deal with the screentime.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Game of Thrones: Daenerys ''miss way too many titles'' Targaryen, comes across in the show as really arrogant and spoilt, rightful heir to the seven kingdoms blah blah blah

The Walking Dead: Rick/Michonne's love story

Not liking a character doesn't make them pointless Nicky, saying daenerys is a pointless character in GOTs is even more absurd than Mock saying Lori was in TWD

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not liking a character doesn't make them pointless Nicky, saying daenerys is a pointless character in GOTs is even more absurd than Mock saying Lori was in TWD

Well Daenarys is trying to get the throne and has had an 8 season build-up to try and achieve the main aim of the programme, which Lori never seemed to have an aim but hook up with a guy on TWD.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Any story about Zombies is supposed to have at least 2 of those things that I've listed, if they don't then they're a poor Zombie story and are false advertising themselves, especially when TWD in particular do alot of trailers showing the characters having alot of action scenes and villains to take on, and then when people actually watch the show in execution they instead get love triangles and other sappy romances that are written in a dated manner taking up large chunks of an episode, it's certainly not what the show was suppose to be about in it's inception, and I bet it's not something that the writers wanted but AMC forced them into doing with people like Lori's character being made into such a "big" deal with the screentime.

But it doesn't matter what you think the show should be about, it is what it is and her character wasn't pointless in that respect

[reece(:]

Lori AND Sasha pointless?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well Libby was a Mystery on a Mystery show, why she knew Hurley is more relevant than Juliet who away from the quadrangle was a secondary character in Ben's stories.

She wasn't though. The mystery never amounted to anything, and had no relevance to the show movimg forward other than giving her a connection to Hurley and she was killed after less than a season.

That's not more relevant than a 3 season regular who got the penultimate season cliffhanger and set the whole thing in motion with the bomb.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well Daenarys is trying to get the throne and has had an 8 season build-up to try and achieve the main aim of the programme, which Lori never seemed to have an aim but hook up with a guy on TWD.

fair i guess, but i am annoyed with some of her scenes

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Game of Thrones: Daenerys ''miss way too many titles'' Targaryen, comes across in the show as really arrogant and spoilt, rightful heir to the seven kingdoms blah blah blah

No baby no

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But it doesn't matter what you think the show should be about, it is what it is and her character wasn't pointless in that respect

If TWD wanted to be Grey's Anatomy then it shouldn't have had the Zombies in the programme, it can't get credit for adding them in and then when people criticise the show for not handling them properly (on Social Media mainly) they can't then have responses like this because it encourages imo future shows to try similar gimmicks. Lori has nothing to do with the Zombie storyline (which whether the show likes it or not) is what most people tune in to the programme for, and is what people expect will be the show's main storyline, not love triangles, and certainly not this weird Biker Gang age that it's in at the moment with Negan.

But going back to Lori I think that season 2 tried the hardest to make her relevant to the programme with giving her more scenes with Dale and Glen, but they still was very few for my liking, and for the leading lady she should've been getting more screentime with these people but instead was just monopolised by Rick and Shane, she didn't even have that much screentime with Carl fgs and that was meant to be her Son.

Basically if the Show wanted some Drama in (which I do understand as it can help develop the characters) then they should've done it in a way that makes the character active with most of it's other characters, not just two people.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Lori AND Sasha pointless?

Sasha imo was never properly developed, I didn't hate her character but I can certainly understand why the actress moved onto Star Trek: Discovery as her character actually gets development on that show.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She wasn't though. The mystery never amounted to anything, and had no relevance to the show movimg forward other than giving her a connection to Hurley and she was killed after less than a season.

That's not more relevant than a 3 season regular who got the penultimate season cliffhanger and set the whole thing in motion with the bomb.

That's the show for you though it never answered anything.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

fair i guess, but i am annoyed with some of her scenes

Oh she was terrible last season, as was Jon Snow, but tbf I feel that they both have their own parts to play in the story.

[Marsh.]

So basically you're moaning because TWD is more than a "omg zombies" and actually drives the stories with characters which usually includes their relationships to one another.

It seems you're the one who doesn't get character development and drama.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's the show for you though it never answered anything.

Except it did.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So basically you're moaning because TWD is more than a "omg zombies" and actually drives the stories with characters which usually includes their relationships to one another.

It seems you're the one who doesn't get character development and drama.

I don't mind Drama (I've watched Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, and Sense8 fgs) but there's a difference with those three shows, their Drama elements have/was mostly on the events that was happening in the main plot of their programmes, where as can you tell me that TWD has developed the Zombie storyline past the season 1 finale? Because if you think they have then I'd like to know.

And also if you're gonna make a dig, at least know that you can actually do character development and Drama through your actual story than just making it into all about relationships and violence like TWD seems to only know how to do.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except it did.

When?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't mind Drama (I've watched Battlestar Galactica, Game Of Thrones, and Sense8 fgs) but there's a difference with those three shows, their Drama elements have/was mostly on the events that was happening in the main plot of their programmes, where as can you tell me that TWD has developed the Zombie storyline past the season 1 finale? Because if you think they have then I'd like to know.

And also if you're gonna make a dig, at least know that you can actually do character development and Drama through your actual story than just making it into all about relationships and violence like TWD seems to only know how to do.

Explain the "zombie storyline"?

The apocalypse tends to be the backdrop in which they tell these heightened plots.

Not to mention any show that wants to run for more than one episode is going to need subplots and character development beyond simply sticking to the "main plot" whatever that may be.

"Relationships" are the most important part they drive the story and create the conflict fgs. If there was no relationships there'd be no "actual story".

Really you're listing stories and characters you didn't enjoy or don't like. That doesn't make them unimportant or irrelevant to the story being told.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

When?

Throughout its run.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Explain the "zombie storyline"?

The apocalypse tends to be the backdrop in which they tell these heightened plots.

Not to mention any show that wants to run for more than one episode is going to need subplots and character development beyond simply sticking to the "main plot" whatever that may be.

"Relationships" are the most important part they drive the story and create the conflict fgs. If there was no relationships there'd be no "actual story".

Really you're listing stories and characters you didn't enjoy or don't like. That doesn't make them unimportant or irrelevant to the story being told.

The Show is 8 seasons in and they haven't thought to explain who even caused the Zombie outbreak? If it was a good Zombie story that should've been explained by now.

And I never said that dynamics in a show is unimportant, in fact I quit an Anime called Last Exile recently because it lacked interesting character dynamics, but a show should be able to have both, and TWD did do poor with Lori on the character development front as she was just the love interest of Rick and Shane, she never got to be her own person and form dynamics with the rest of the survivors, that's poor writing and as I stress for the leading lady at the time is just simply not good enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Show is 8 seasons in and they haven't thought to explain who even caused the Zombie outbreak? If it was a good Zombie story that should've been explained by now.

And I never said that dynamics in a show is unimportant, in fact I quit an Anime called Last Exile recently because it lacked interesting character dynamics, but a show should be able to have both, and TWD did do poor with Lori on the character development front as she was just the love interest of Rick and Shane, she never got to be her own person and form dynamics with the rest of the survivors, that's poor writing and as I stress for the leading lady at the time is just simply not good enough.

But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

In fact the creator even said the cause is "not important to the story".

[LaLaLand]

I don't think I could list 10 tbh but I want to give a special shout out to Janae "Watson" from OITNB... like what does she do? Just runs? Release ha

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

It's about Survival first and foremost I know, and trust would be another thing, but of course what started it is more important than any character's love life on the show, or any dynamic on the show tbh as otherwise the Zombie Outbreak story has no aim and is just the same thing on repeat of people moving from one place to the next just surviving and no real aim of wanting to live a normal life again, because if the show actually had the characters wanting to find out what caused the Zombies to exist (actual Human curiosity that the show doesn't touch on) then they could try and find a cure and stop the Zombie outbreak once and for all.

Obviously the show instead seems to think that people would be all about wanting to beat each other up, or having sex with each other rather than wanting to actually try and save everybody by trying to find a cure so that they can then rebuild their lives.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But it's not about what started it. That's not the purpose of the show.

It wouldn't have lasted this long if it was either.

In fact the creator even said the cause is "not important to the story".

BIB, so they're admitting then that they just used the Zombies as a gimmick then to pull in viewers that wouldn't otherwise have watched the show? That's good to know then that The Walking Dead has got such an appropriate title.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's about Survival first and foremost I know, and trust would be another thing, but of course what started it is more important than any character's love life on the show, or any dynamic on the show tbh as otherwise the Zombie Outbreak story has no aim and is just the same thing on repeat of people moving from one place to the next just surviving and no real aim of wanting to live a normal life again, because if the show actually had the characters wanting to find out what caused the Zombies to exist (actual Human curiosity that the show doesn't touch on) then they could try and find a cure and stop the Zombie outbreak once and for all.

Obviously the show instead seems to think that people would be all about wanting to beat each other up, or having sex with each other rather than wanting to actually try and save everybody by trying to find a cure so that they can then rebuild their lives.

You don't get the show at all if you think the origin of the zombie apocalypse is more important than the characters and their relationships to one another.

To quote the creator "it's not important to the story".

The zombie apocalypse is the setting, the playground for the stories.

In fact, how many times has the "omg virus we need to find a cure" been done? Cliche is an understatement.

"Otherwise it's just about people moving around surviving"
Well done, you've almost hit on what the show is about.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BIB, so they're admitting then that they just used the Zombies as a gimmick then to pull in viewers that wouldn't otherwise have watched the show? That's good to know then that The Walking Dead has got such an appropriate title.

That's like saying Eastenders is nothing but a gimmick because they haven't explained the origins of Albert Square.

They don't need to. It's the setting, the fictional universe within which the stories play out.