[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

he did do something, the Chakrabarti report, could he have done more? Perhaps... But he is not alone in having undesirables among the ranks. We have to be consistent in our condemnation. All parties face scrutiny on this topic it can not be used as a club to beat one person within one party.

The Chakrabati report cannot be taken seriously, looking at the volume of claims since that pantomime,and especially as she was rewarded with a peerage immediately after. And they accuse Blair of cronyism!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

Corbyn's very public affiliation with them is nothing more than an arrogant and cynical 'two fingers' gesture to those who are urging him to rectify the rampant anti-Semitism within the nest of anti-Patriotic, anti-Democratic, Britain-Detesting, Treacherous Vipers which was ONCE the great British Labour Party.

So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

It's hard to describe Jewdas as "good people" when they describe themselves as a radical group who oppose capitalism and want to overthrow the state, say that Israel needs to be disposed of, and labelled the editor of the Jewish Chroniclea "non-Jew".

[jet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's hard to describe Jewdas as "good people" when they describe themselves as a radical group who oppose capitalism and want to overthrow the state, say that Israel needs to be disposed of, and labelled the editor of the Jewish Chroniclea "non-Jew".

Corbyn obviously likes them, so his sheep will follow.

[jet]

Jewish Leadership Council:

“His actions so far do not match up to his words… The fact is that his first act following that is to go to a dinner last night with an organisation who on Thursday published a letter saying that this was all smears against Jeremy Corbyn and saying that this was a right-wing conspiracy to stop him becoming the Prime Minister of this country. The issue is the message he is sending to the community… The first act that he has done towards the community speaks volumes… the mainstream leaders were booed as their names were stated at last night’s dinner at which Jeremy Corbyn was present… Surely it cannot have been sensible, if Jeremy wishes to build bridges with the community, for the first act to be attending a dinner with people who are so hostile.”

Jewish Labour Movement:

“Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to spend his evening with an organisation that said “F *** you ” to Jews who have serious and well founded concerns over antisemitism within the Labour Party, has truly topped off the worst week on record of awful relations between the Labour Party and the Jewish community. When we called on the Leader of our Party to show moral leadership, and take decisive action to stamp out antisemitism, this is not what we had in mind. Jewish Party activists have spent the weekend knocking on doors for local candidates for Council elections across the country. They do not deserve the indignity of our Leader making this situation even worse.”

Board of Deputies:

“[Jewdas] refer to antisemitism in Labour as a smear. If Jeremy Corbyn goes to their event how can we take his stated commitment to be an ally against antisemitism seriously?”

Holocaust Educational Trust:

“It was clearly deliberate. No question of intent. Mocking. And disrespectful.”

Jewish Chronicle:

“At the very time when Jeremy Corbyn is claiming to be “an ally” in the fight against antisemitism, when he is issuing finely worded statements about his commitment to that fight, the one group he chooses to endorse by his presence just days after the mainstream Jewish community protested about his refusal to take antisemitism seriously is the group that last week issued a statement dismissing the idea that there is any serious issue around antisemitism in the Labour Party… This is of course a pattern to his excuses. He didn’t see. He was unaware. He didn’t know. It’s always variations on that theme, and they are always and obviously sophistry. Mr Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing last night. And we should draw our own conclusion about his good faith in claiming to be an ally in the fight about antisemitism within his own party.”

[MTVN]

Seem like a nice bunch of guys

[LeatherTrumpet]

Momentum chief Jon Lansman today called for Labour personnel at all levels to be given training in anti-Semitism.

Mr Lansman said he and Jeremy Corbyn had both realised the problem of racism in the party was worse than either of them had thought

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...incidents.html


I will just leave that here

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I rest my case.. this is now less about the Jewish community and what their feelings are... (Jewdas being a Jewish group) it is now an entirely politicised move to oust the Labour leader.


'Jewdas said: “What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government.”

They are bang on right.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seem like a nice bunch of guys

Nice to see we have a forum member in Kizzy who supports this group....

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Momentum chief Jon Lansman today called for Labour personnel at all levels to be given training in anti-Semitism.

Mr Lansman said he and Jeremy Corbyn had both realised the problem of racism in the party was worse than either of them had thought

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...incidents.html


I will just leave that here

Wow, when Momentum of all people say there's a problem with anti-Semitism, you know something's up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nice to see we have a forum member in Kizzy who supports this group....

Yes... It seems like you have to be the right kindof Jew.

[DemolitionRed]

So you are a good Jew or a bad Jew depending on if you support the shenanigans of the Israeli government or not. If your not Jewish, why should the conflicts between Palestine and Israel be anything other than political?

Perhaps we should all remind ourselves before condemning one type of Jew over the other, that it didn't matter if you were a Left or Right leaning Jew during the holocaust.

They always say, don't mix religion with politics but here we all are going round in circles. I've read, what could be considered, some really antisemitic remarks on here today regarding Left wing Jews and yet its appears to be okay to do that because they are Left wing and don't support the a modern political goal, Zionism. the irony!! It should be for the Jews alone to discuss what tribes of Jews they like and don't and not a bunch of people who have little interest in this other than how its hurt the Labour Party.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So you are a good Jew or a bad Jew depending on if you support the shenanigans of the Israeli government or not. If your not Jewish, why should the conflicts between Palestine and Israel be anything other than political?

Perhaps we should all remind ourselves before condemning one type of Jew over the other, that it didn't matter if you were a Left or Right leaning Jew during the holocaust.

They always say, don't mix religion with politics but here we all are going round in circles. I've read, what could be considered, some really antisemitic remarks on here today regarding Left wing Jews and yet its appears to be okay to do that because they are Left wing and don't support the a modern political goal, Zionism. the irony!! It should be for the Jews alone to discuss what tribes of Jews they like and don't and not a bunch of people who have little interest in this other than how its hurt the Labour Party.

Do YOU think Jewdas are a group JC should be supporting and forum members?

Do you support them as well?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So you are a good Jew or a bad Jew depending on if you support the shenanigans of the Israeli government or not.

Okay, let's discount the part about Israel. They still do things like opposing capitalism and wanting to overthrow the state, supporting Antifa, calling all cops bastards. Not the best choice of people for Corbyn to hang around with.

[DemolitionRed]

I support Miko Peled and all he stands for.
I support "Breaking the Silence" A secret voice of ex and existing IDF soldiers.

[Tom4784]

Corbyn sure gets around! IRA sympathiser, undercover russian agent and now he's a card carrying anti-semite with links to extreme anti-semitic groups too? It's a wonder how he has any time for office when he's busy supporting all these terrible causes AND making his regular reports to Putin!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do YOU think Jewdas are a group JC should be supporting and forum members?

Do you support them as well?

I have no idea. I haven't looked at the site but I think I'll go and do just that.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Corbyn sure gets around! IRA sympathiser, undercover russian agent and now he's a card carrying anti-semite with links to extreme anti-semitic groups too? It's a wonder how he has any time for office when he's busy supporting all these terrible causes AND making his regular reports to Putin!

And in between all that he still has time to make jam!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Corbyn sure gets around! IRA sympathiser, undercover russian agent and now he's a card carrying anti-semite with links to extreme anti-semitic groups too? It's a wonder how he has any time for office when he's busy supporting all these terrible causes AND making his regular reports to Putin!

Its not a joke and its not funny

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its not a joke and its not funny

It kind of is? I'm almost tempted to turn it into a game 'What will Corbyn be accused of next?'. OMG Maybe HE took Madeleine McCann?!

It's all too convenient for me to really take seriously, the timing of it all, the fact that no one said a thing about any of these 'connections' while he was rising to the position of leader despite the onslaught of a media that's mostly opposed to him? All these connections aren't exactly hidden but they've only just come up now? Either the background checks into our politicians are completely trash, as are the investigative journalists of the UK or, more likely, this is a smear campaign which is why these accusations have ultimately gone nowhere because they are just meant to lead an easily led public against the labour party.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It kind of is? I'm almost tempted to turn it into a game 'What will Corbyn be accused of next?'. OMG Maybe HE took Madeleine McCann?!

It's all too convenient for me to really take seriously, the timing of it all, the fact that no one said a thing about any of these 'connections' while he was rising to the position of leader despite the onslaught of a media that's mostly opposed to him? All these connections aren't exactly hidden but they've only just come up now? Either the background checks into our politicians are completely trash, as are the investigative journalists of the UK or, more likely, this is a smear campaign which is why these accusations have ultimately gone nowhere because they are just meant to lead an easily led public against the labour party.

and the comment by the head of Momentum is...?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's all too convenient for me to really take seriously, the timing of it all, the fact that no one said a thing about any of these 'connections' while he was rising to the position of leader despite the onslaught of a media that's mostly opposed to him? All these connections aren't exactly hidden but they've only just come up now?

He went to the Jewdas event a few days ago, I don't know if Mystic Meg still works for the Sun but even then it'd be a bit strange to bring it up before it happened. As for the other things, I'm sure plenty of backbenchers across the parties have dodgy connections, but as they're just backbenchers and not party leaders, it's not hugely important.

[LeatherTrumpet]

"This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle antisemitism. And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group’s extreme views are ok. Irresponsible and dangerous"

John Woodcock MP on Corbyns meeting with Alt-Left group Jewdas

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He went to the Jewdas event a few days ago, I don't know if Mystic Meg still works for the Sun but even then it'd be a bit strange to bring it up before it happened. As for the other things, I'm sure plenty of backbenchers across the parties have dodgy connections, but as they're just backbenchers and not party leaders, it's not hugely important.

I was obviously talking about the other stuff he has been accused of, the 'historic' stuff that only comes to light at the most opportune times for his opposition. Common sense, really.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I was obviously talking about the other stuff he has been accused of, the 'historic' stuff that only comes to light at the most opportune times for his opposition. Common sense, really.

Okay, then I guess the fact he was just another backbencher until recently was why the media didn't care as much. Like I said in the other part of my post.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle antisemitism. And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group’s extreme views are ok. Irresponsible and dangerous"

John Woodcock MP on Corbyns meeting with Alt-Left group Jewdas

He is either completely stupid or he is sticking a finger up at those he has pledged to appease. I favour the latter because he has constantly stuck a finger up at people throughout his career and chosen to align himself with undesirables on countless occasions. This is nothing new for him. I'm happy for him to continue on his current course and let the voters decide what they think of him when the time comes