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11-04-2018, 02:05 PM | #601 | ||
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So I agree - double standards all round, but we have to decide which it is at some point. Either general criticism of religious / ethnic / cultural elements is fair game, or it isn't. |
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11-04-2018, 02:55 PM | #602 | ||
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Flip it right on its head and think if May and the Tories had done/were doing the same against Muslims - would May supporters on this forum be bending over backwards to make excuses for her and her cronies like some Corbyn supporters here have done for their Idol? I don't think so! There would be uproar, and rightly so! They cry RACIST and act like like sniffer dogs when any aspect, however slight, of any criticism of Islam is mentioned. But because it's Corbyn and his pals the excuses are wheeled out to excuse the antisemitism and its not poor Jeremy's fault anyway - its the big bad media out to destroy him. It's blatant hypocrisy and its pathetic - and very worrying. Last edited by jet; 11-04-2018 at 02:57 PM. |
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11-04-2018, 03:32 PM | #603 | |||
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Jewish people haven't waged war on anyone, and yet here we are, in 2018, having to accept the usual sickening racism because we're only Jews. Anti-Semitism is more and more accepted. And when supporters of a major political party ignore a protest by ordinary, moderate Jews, with no axe to grind, I shouldn't be surprised at all the comments on here in support of Corbyn and his party. Last edited by Livia; 11-04-2018 at 03:33 PM. |
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11-04-2018, 03:47 PM | #604 | ||
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For what it's worth, boringly enough, I'm middle ground on this one. Yes the language used goes too far and veers into anti-semitism. But I also think there's (plenty of) scope for criticism of Israel and Zionism, that has nothing at all to do with most Jews, but is very firmly "taken off the table for discussion" as people are afraid of being branded anti-semites. The same goes for Islam of course; there's plenty of scope for criticising aspects of Islam, not even just the extremism but some of the general cultural attitudes, and those are shot down unfairly. However - as with the above - it would also be false to say that those criticisms never veer into the territory of Islamophobia. It SHOULD be the case, on all topics, that people can raise any points they want to so long as they don't start generalising too much and answer things thoughtfully and considerately... But I think the world (and this forum along with) is not really "in that place", at least not right now. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 11-04-2018 at 03:47 PM. |
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11-04-2018, 04:10 PM | #605 | ||
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Israel and Zionism are not the topic of this thread and were used repeatedly to divert attention away from Labour and antisemitism. I suggested several times to Red who professed great interest in those subjects that he make a dedicated thread as I would like to learn more about them, but this was ignored. I agree with your last paragraph. Last edited by jet; 11-04-2018 at 04:40 PM. |
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11-04-2018, 06:29 PM | #606 | ||
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11-04-2018, 06:44 PM | #607 | ||
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11-04-2018, 08:50 PM | #608 | |||
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Thank you, Jet. It's nice to hear that some people appreciate my 'boring diatribes'.
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11-04-2018, 08:54 PM | #609 | ||
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11-04-2018, 09:07 PM | #610 | |||
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EVERY single day, incidents by antiSemitic bullies against innocent Jewish people go virtually unreported - or if reported go virtually unnoticed. Whereas supporting Islam and railing loudly against Islamaphobics is fashionable and Politically Correct, anti-Semitism is not such a big deal to so-called liberals and progressives - which is WHY Corbyn and his Labour Party have been TEFLON-COATED for so extraordinary a long time given the facts of THEIR antiSemitism. Here's a snippet about Anti-Semitism which WAS 'picked up' by some 'National Newspapers': Student is suspended at Ł35,000-a-year boarding school for 'trying to force-feed Jewish schoolboy HAM pizza' Clifton College student was suspended after he tried to feed a Jewish pupil ham. The boy 'suffered psychologically' after the incident at the Ł35k-a-year school The prestigious school in Bristol said anti-Semitism is 'abhorrent and 'pernicious'. The Jewish teenager remained at the prestigious school alongside his alleged attacker, who was allowed back into classes after a short suspension. Insiders said the suspended boy was on the periphery of another incident at the school a few years ago where a pupil - who was later expelled - wore a Nazi costume. The Jewish student was at the prestigious Clifton College in Bristol (pictured) and was almost forced to eat a pizza with ham toppings Religious community leaders and parents have voiced concerns about the incident, which happened in December. The school has its own synagogue and had a schoolhouse dedicated to Jewish students until 2005. A high profile member of Bristol's Jewish community, who wished to remain anonymous, said: 'I would like to express disappointment felt by the local Jewish community at the school's lack of response. 'It isn't the first case of anti-Semitism at Clifton College. 'The fact it happened in the first place is awful but the way in which Clifton College has brushed it under the carpet is much worse.
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11-04-2018, 09:08 PM | #611 | ||
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11-04-2018, 09:09 PM | #612 | ||
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11-04-2018, 09:14 PM | #613 | ||
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11-04-2018, 09:27 PM | #615 | ||
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I just found it funny, it really wasn't personal. I apologise for offending you. Last edited by jet; 11-04-2018 at 09:32 PM. |
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11-04-2018, 09:49 PM | #616 | ||
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But hey-ho. Done now. |
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12-04-2018, 12:31 AM | #617 | |||
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Report: Anti-Semitism rises, but violence against Jews falls
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12-04-2018, 03:15 AM | #618 | |||
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Well seeing as it was removed for some reason why refer to it? that was my opinion, you give yours so freely on my views. :/
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12-04-2018, 04:50 AM | #619 | |||
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It is really informative.
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12-04-2018, 06:37 AM | #620 | |||
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Why do some people dislike Jews anyway ? I just don't get it the ones I have met have always been very gentle, caring people, What do some have against them?
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12-04-2018, 07:02 AM | #621 | |||
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I think some type of subliminal genetic memory may be in all of us that the Jews are 'God's Chosen People' - a type of unconscious resentment. Added to this, of course, is the fact that the Jewish people - speaking GENERALLY, of course, 'don't want no shet-storm' to ensue - are exceptionally hard-working and throughout history have excelled in business and commerce and other fields. More recently, of course, is the fact that it seems to bother a LOT of people that from Screen-Writers to Actors through Directors and Producers, Jewish people EXCEL in Hollywood, the film industry and theatre. Such people accuse Jewish people of CONTROLLING Hollywood etc, but there is a difference in Dominating by Excellence and Controlling. I really do believe that JEALOUSY in ALL its forms is one of THE biggest hidden causes of trouble at all levels in this sad world.
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12-04-2018, 07:28 AM | #622 | |||
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i think there are many possible reasons. The most obvious being that they belong to a group that has an identity that others can't be a member of
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12-04-2018, 07:49 AM | #623 | |||
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A GREAT point BOTS and one which I did not think about. I believe that it is a prime reason.
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12-04-2018, 08:02 AM | #624 | |||
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...because they make the best chicken soup ..(...apparently../..allegedly etc...)...unless that recipe is shared to all non Jews as well, I have no time for them at all...selfish is what it is...
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14-04-2018, 09:44 AM | #625 | |||
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I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.
Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this. |
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