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18-03-2018, 11:35 AM | #176 | |||
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18-03-2018, 11:42 AM | #177 | |||
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I'm sorry you see that as a sexist way of thinking, but it isn't, I'm purely talking about making a conversation easy to understand, and that the word isn't used to add a label, but to describe who is being referred to, and I don't think I can demonstrate that any more clearly than that ^, so we may just have to agree to disagree, but I'm absolutely not being sexist towards women in any way.
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18-03-2018, 11:47 AM | #178 | |||
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So there is is a male brain and a female brain, that's nice and boxy isn't it? What about a female autistic brain, I wonder what they're like? Do you think there might be a nice science shaped box for those too?
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18-03-2018, 11:47 AM | #179 | |||
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18-03-2018, 11:48 AM | #180 | |||
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As a man reading this thread I can make the following observations.
1. Men are trying to tell women how they should feel, what they should accept, how they should be referred to 2. The woman's position is being actively undermined This doesn't seem particularly progressive to me. |
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18-03-2018, 12:02 PM | #181 | ||
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Boxy?
No. Scientific fact that there are masculine and feminine parts of the brain of which everyone is somewhere on the scale, making them more or less feminine/masculine in emotions and behaviour. Also affected by the chemistry in their body estrogen/ testosterone etc. No. Anne hasn't always been a celebrity but clearly hasn't experienced career progression difficulty which either means she never attempted a career of sorts prior to being cast on the Chase to start one in television (I think she was a professional quiz champion or whatever they're called) or she did very well progressing up the ladder with no difficulty, which is no excuse for not looking beyond her own front yard. Her celebrity status is a hard one to label as successful career progression because it's not really typical. It can literally happen overnight, especially these days. It's rare anyone really works their way for years into the business anymore. |
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18-03-2018, 12:04 PM | #182 | ||
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The same as man/woman differentiates between two humans with distinct differences. |
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18-03-2018, 12:06 PM | #183 | ||
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The cis/trans discussion isn't a female oriented topic. It's a human one so your observation is flawed. If we were discussing a female based topic like abortion or something I'd see your point. As it is you're telling men they have no say in a discussion that is about them just as much as it's about women. It's about everyone. Last edited by Marsh.; 18-03-2018 at 12:09 PM. |
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18-03-2018, 12:10 PM | #184 | |||
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18-03-2018, 12:11 PM | #185 | |||
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18-03-2018, 12:31 PM | #186 | |||
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Can intellect be measured as career progression? That most certainly isn't something that happens overnight. For clarity on this issue, for my own peace of mind. Let me get this right if I see M/F trans as female but not a woman or F/M trans as a male but not a man I'm transphobic? I'll have to live with that then.
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18-03-2018, 12:40 PM | #187 | ||
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Male and Female are biological descriptions of sex. Man and Woman are social constructions of gender. A Trans-woman can be sociologically a woman (arguably, I'm not saying everyone agrees with this), and not a man, but will always be biologically male. You have it the wrong way round. And that's not opinion or "Mansplaining" - that is the actual terminology of established gender theory going back several decades. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 18-03-2018 at 12:42 PM. |
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18-03-2018, 01:10 PM | #188 | |||
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A theory is just that... Theoretical, subject to change. Simone De Beauvior stated 'One is not born, one is made a woman'. It pays not to take that too literally I don't believe that transfemales can be sociologically a woman as to my mind a whole life experience not in how you relate to the world and those in it but how the world and those in it relate to you.
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18-03-2018, 02:20 PM | #189 | ||
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Cis sounds like something from Starwars.I aint no Cis Lord.
It’s a ridiculous word.There is no need or reason for me to ‘identify’ as cis or any other made up bollox. Human man will do fine. |
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18-03-2018, 02:32 PM | #190 | ||
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It's just a descriptive word when discussing transsexuals to differentiate. Let's not make it into some diagnosis people are having thrust upon them. It's merely language. |
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18-03-2018, 02:32 PM | #191 | |||
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It's like referring to yourself as a 'heterosexual man' to differentiate during a topic about homosexuality. It's meaning is literally no different to that. You don't need to 'identify' as heterosexual you just are. It's a description. This is currently a debate about nothing other than semantics. (never mind, Marsh got there first )
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18-03-2018, 02:35 PM | #192 | |||
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It always seems to me there are more complaints about the complaints about transphobia, than there are complaints about transphobia... hence this thread
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18-03-2018, 02:36 PM | #193 | |||
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trans is enough of a descriptor, why do we need "cis" if you are non trans, it adds nothing expect a label where it isnt needed
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18-03-2018, 02:37 PM | #194 | |||
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I guess because people usually would fall into the habit of saying "normal" instead of cis, when referring to anyone who isn't transgender, thus rendering the alternative (trans) as 'abnormal'.
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18-03-2018, 02:49 PM | #196 | |||
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Part of the problem on this forum at the moment is there are two distinct types of posters.
These transgender views and topics are a fairly recent issue, one of which some of the older members of the forum are not familiar with, new terminology, cis etc. Younger posters are more used to an all accepting (or more accepting) population. We all need to be more understanding and informed about issues. The problems that a lot of people have is the manner in which more informed members of this forum try to educate. I have many times typed out a question and then not posted because I cant be arsed with the "duh...[insert patronising insulting reply]" from a section of this forum Like on this page, cherie posted a question, Shaun answered and Marsh answered. Both basically with the same information but one to the point end of the other with barbed patronising language. And you wonder why people bite?
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To be fair for my own part... I do think there needs to be a word, but I also think "cis" is a phonetically daft word with a flimsy etymology and I wish it was a different word... ... ... But, its here now so its probably going to stick. |
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18-03-2018, 02:51 PM | #198 | |||
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The descriptor 'woman' is not helpful in that sentence. Whereas the descriptors 'transwoman' or 'ciswoman' would have been. The place is going to go in to a meltdown when the bigender woman enters the bar.
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18-03-2018, 02:55 PM | #199 | |||
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18-03-2018, 02:56 PM | #200 | |||
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