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26-03-2018, 08:11 PM | #26 | |||
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26-03-2018, 09:02 PM | #27 | ||
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26-03-2018, 09:26 PM | #29 | ||
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26-03-2018, 09:53 PM | #31 | |||
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Chuck them in beside all the asian rape gangs and shut the door.
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26-03-2018, 10:04 PM | #32 | ||
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Such comments are loaded with bias. Right/left is not really the issue when it comes to violence and terrorism and has far more to do with character. Some are simply pre-disposed to aggression and violence and will hide behind whatever ideology, political or otherwise, that suits.
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26-03-2018, 10:08 PM | #33 | ||
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26-03-2018, 10:15 PM | #34 | |||
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COLOUR - whether BLACK, BROWN, PINK or WHITE does NOT sell newspapers.
What SELLS newspapers is NEWS. RELIGION - whether ROMAN CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, JEWISH or MUSLIM does NOT sell newspapers. What SELLS newspapers is NEWS. So if that news concerns yet another gang of brown-skinned, Pakistani, Muslims who have groomed children for sex in yet another part of the UK, or yet another solitary, white-skinned Roman Catholic Priest sexually abusing boys, then that news is going to be reported. When the same crimes are REPEATEDLY committed by the same TYPES - whether brown-skinned Pakistani Muslims or white-skinned Roman Catholic Priests - then the READER will draw his/her OWN conclusions and formulate his/her OWN opinions. I know that I do.
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26-03-2018, 10:16 PM | #35 | |||
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26-03-2018, 10:17 PM | #36 | |||
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Oh good point, I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense.
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26-03-2018, 10:20 PM | #37 | |||
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26-03-2018, 10:36 PM | #38 | |||
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Its funny isnt it. People always complain about entire religions when the terrorist has one, but when it comes to yet another group of (presumably) non-religious right wing men, you never hear people go on about how religion is vital cos look what the non-religious blokes do.
I think a lot of truth comes out in what people do not say.
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26-03-2018, 10:40 PM | #39 | ||
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If the news itself was enough to sell newspapers then tabloids like The Sun, The Daily Mail and all the other trash would not be the best selling newspapers. Instead, you would have very plain newspapers reporting on the news in a neutral fashion but that's not the case, every story has a spin and that spin is dependant on the target audience it's aimed at. Look at the Jo Cox shooting, that was an act of terrorism, the police treated it as such yet you still get some newspapers that refuse to report Thomas Mair as a terrorist, instead they'll call him a disturbed individual or a gunman because the term 'terrorist' is reserved to what their idea of a terrorist is and a white non-muslim face does not fit that narrative when it comes to a lot of newspapers because it doesn't fit their readers' views. News does not sell newspapers. Fear, outrage and confirmation bias is what truly sells newspapers. It's just the way things are. If it wasn't then the way the news is presented would be completely different. Last edited by Tom4784; 27-03-2018 at 01:51 PM. |
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27-03-2018, 05:17 AM | #41 | |||
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Several for both, but thanks for further proving my point.
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27-03-2018, 06:09 AM | #42 | |||
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Also in recent years terrorism related to religious idealogy has been on a much larger scale which makes it a larger focal talking point and bigger news. Weve not had many racists bombing rock concerts and running round Westminster Bridge with knives stabbing people at random. (Random members of the public I mean). Attacks of the racist kind seem to be more personal than public in the current climate which make them less of a public focal point. That isn't necessarily right but that's how it is. If the white supremists aren't a gang of Catholics claiming to do it for their faith and shouting hail Mary's why would religion come up? Religion did come up more with regard the IRA when they were active though that was also strongly about republicanism so the religion was more of a background discussion. Nazis were not affiliated to one particular religion but they did persecute one particular religious group. On a personal level I find the God told me to do it type of idea for hurting others much harder to comprehend. But committing violence on others for any reason is vile and unacceptable.
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27-03-2018, 06:17 AM | #43 | |||
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it was a big news item when a terrorist went on a killing spree on london bridge, it was a big news item when a terrorist murdered Jo Cox. I fail to see how this means the press have a specific agenda. They focus on the level of threat and the impact as they always do.
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27-03-2018, 07:01 AM | #44 | |||
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27-03-2018, 07:11 AM | #45 | |||
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Hopefully this Terrorist will get a life sentence like all Terrorists should serve.
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27-03-2018, 09:37 AM | #46 | |||
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Not so, I'm afraid. You are talking about Demographics. Tabloids have ALWAYS outsold the Broadsheets well before ISIS existed, or indeed before Muslims became 'newsworthy' because of various developments concerning groups of them in the UK over recent years. And the reason for this is demographics; The Sun is a lightweight easy to read newspaper which is favoured by the 'Working Class' and so-called 'Precariat' generally non-working classes. The Daily Mail is more 'Upper Working Class' and 'Middle Class' whilst more 'Serious' Newspapers such as The Times still appeal more to the 'Upper-Middle' and 'Upper Classes'. Because there are far more 'Working Class' and 'Precariat Class' people and far more 'Middle Class' people in the UK than there are 'Upper Class the newspapers which you brand 'Trash' will ALWAYS sell more than their more 'serious' counterparts. In the case of poor Jo Cox's murder, I AGREE that a few newspapers DID display great bias in their reporting of what SHOULD have been facts but were instead NOT because honesty took second-place behind pushing those particular newspapers political Agendas, but - although you will not agree because of your own politics - those offending newspapers were mainly Left-Wing. I believe that the evidence shows that Jo's killer Thomas Mair WAS and IS mentally ill whilst also showing him to have had definite links to Far Right organisations those organisations were NOT outlawed as 'Terrorist' organisations until AFTER this horrific murder, so to be precise, those newspapers (and any others) were WRONG to claim that Mair was a 'Terrorist in the TRUE sense of the word. It is also relevant and very TELLING that despite comments made by the Crown Prosecution Service and the trial Prosecutor, Mair was NOT charged nor tried under ANY terrorism offence and also telling is the fact that Mair WAS accepted as being 'Mentally Ill' by the court. Equally as telling - no matter what links Mair might have had with Far Right extremists - is the TRUTH behind claims that Mair shouted 'Britain First' when perpetrating the murder: The FIRST and ORIGINAL claim that Mair shouted those words hailed from Aamir Tahir - a local dry cleaner who later ADMITTED that he was NOT even at the scene and that he had 'simply heard the allegation as second-hand information'. Whilst another KEY witness, Hicham Ben Abdallah - who WAS at the scene - has said that he heard no such shout of 'Britain First' from Mair, and SURELY Mr Hitcham Ben Abdullah can be relied upon as a TRUTHFUL man because if he was NOT, then he would have every reason to damn Mair as belonging to a Right Wing Terrorist group by claiming that Mair DID shout that phrase. Another 'anomaly' regarding another key witness, Graeme Howard who claimed to live on Bond Street near to the Murder Scene, is that no trace of any person of that name could be found on that short street. So - YES - Jo Cox's callous murder was horrific AND an 'ACT' of Terror, but whether it was perpetrated by a 'Terrorist' or just a mentally ill lone murderer who had terrorist aspirations and affinities depends upon one's OWN particular 'Political Persuasion' and those of whichever newspaper one buys. In any event, your claim that certain newspapers have refused to call Mair a 'Terrorist' because; "a white non-muslim face does not fit that narrative when it comes to a lot of newspapers because it doesn't fit their readers' views" does not actually 'sit' with your other claim that these same 'trash' newspapers 'sensationalise' news merely to sell newspapers, because if that was true, they would have buried Mair under 'Terrorist' and 'Neo Nazi' labels regardless of the colour of his skin or his ethicity. I have also noted instances where these same 'Trash' newspapers held back from using words such as 'Terrorist' in certain murders committed by Muslim 'Extremists' or Non-Muslims who held Muslim Extremist sympathies, where those murderers WERE also mentally ill, so I'm afraid on this subject Dezzy, we will have to agree to disagree.
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27-03-2018, 09:49 AM | #47 | |||
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Well perhaps that is because you want it to. If that makes you happy go for it
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27-03-2018, 09:53 AM | #48 | |||
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The law doesn't care what colour you are. A terrorist is a terrorist. And as Bots says, there are any number of reasons why he cannot be named. There's a lot more focus on Islamic terrorism because there is a lot more of it right now so there is a lot of focus on it. It's not like everyone ignored the fact that the murder of Jo Cox was a Right wing act of terror. |
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27-03-2018, 10:23 AM | #49 | |||
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There is no outcry because they didn't succeed, there have been a few trials recently where the crime was intercepted before it was committed and there was no outcry then either, not sure why brown skin is brought into things, does that mean anyone with a tan? terrorism is terrorism whatever skin colour you are, I think most people know that
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27-03-2018, 10:29 AM | #50 | ||
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But otherwise I agree; tabloids will always outsell other news sources for the simple reason that certain demographics will always be in a strong majority. What worries me about that though, and I'm SURE this is likely to offend ... is that the working and underclass has on average a lower level of further education, and while that does not mean that they are "less intelligent" by any means, it DOES mean that they're more likely to be lacking in some of the critical reasoning skills that are needed to "read between the lines", or in other words, they are more likely to take what's IN the papers they read as face-value "fact", when it's likely to be full of half-truths, exaggerations and one or two straight up lies. All of that said... none of it worries me half as much as what's happened over the last decade: people taking what they read on social media as actual news . And this seems to happen across all classes and age ranges South Park covered it recently in an episode... something like, "I dunno, I've heard about you guys." "That stuff isn't true." "Yes it is... I saw it in the news." "NO YOU ****ING DIDN'T YOU READ IT ON FACEBOOK!!" " " Last edited by Toy Soldier; 27-03-2018 at 10:29 AM. |
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