[Ammi]

...i’m going in a little blind here...as i’m just piecing together the current ban list and some PMs I’ve received...so apologies... i’ve tried to distance myself a bit from any ‘negative forum’ stuff...just because of the energy involved is one thing...which I just haven’t had...but also I obviously haven’t been here very much in recent times...so it can be hard to understand...which is obviously essential to ‘objectivity’....this though is heartbreaking..the ban list is heartbreaking...the role of staff atm is heartbreaking..in SD and politics particularly from what I’ve seen since i’ve been here more....


..I don’t want to dwell too much on infractions/bans etc...many things are deleted anyway..(..for obvious reasons..)...I understand that a ‘break a rule’ will incur an infraction ...and that those infractions will sometimes lead to bans etc...I completely understand that and that we are all responsible for own actions etc...but then...because of the despair felt by many staff it would seem, in recently read things of that particular section and particular thread topics etc...?...’break the rules’ will just surely be frequent inevitabilities as well though...?...because there is no enthusiasm...(...and understandably so..)...for staff to ‘de-escalate’...in ways that we’re all familiar with on this particular forum...and why we’ve always felt so supportive to a great team of staff and admin...?...


....anyways my words aren’t coming easily atm../...my thoughts are a bit jumbled with stuff i’ve logged onto...but it’s more..’where do/can we go with this’...for us all to stay together as a forum and for some resolve to possibly be reached...there is a collective of grievance or negativity, it would seem...and that’s never a good thing for anyone...TiBB has become too small of regular posters to have people leave...whatever we all as individuals feel about any grievances and how ‘valid’ they are, it doesn’t matter...we’re all going to have varied perspectives with those things...but those things don’t make any difference to how real things are being felt atm...and how they appear to be becoming a ‘collective’...which surely has to be addressed..?...I hate to go back on stuff but this isn’t the first time..(..in my time on TiBB..)...that there has been collective negatively concerning the forum...and as we know, negativity grows and gathers so quickly because people will always have ‘grievances’...and that sadly didn’t resolve very quickly at all and grew and grew before it did resolve...from my recollection, a resolve was found with a few ‘representatives’ talking things through...and possibly beginning quite hostile as well, but then if we don’t get to the bad, we can’t get to the good though...anyways, I have no idea how much I’m rambling...but...I understand why it’s not the place to discuss in threads etc...I also understand the frustrations of PMs if they’re not responded to etc...(..and the reasons for some not being responded to may be because there is ‘hostility’ also in their vein...and the thought that responding will only lead to more negative place..)...I understand it all from all perspectives...but it’s where do we go then, how can any resolve be possible..if it is a possibility at all..?...the solution (..may be..)...to create a group chat thing with a few staff representatives and member representatives ..so it’s completely controlled...and both ‘sides’ are able to communicate with each other..?...could that please be something to consider, James..?...could we not just allow any feelings of ‘hopelessness’ to continue please, James...can we not continue as a forum to allow staff to feel so deflated about attempting to moderate any sections of the forum ..or even feel ‘targeted’...can we not allow valued members to feel so dispaired also...that they consider leaving us all...can we try communication, please ...for all of those voices...this is just heartbreaking for a forum that is still so essentially beautiful in its members...all of them...

[Ammi]

...I’m not even going to proof read that...I’m sure it’s awful in its grammar etc and this darn IPad is awful also...but surely a group chat of representatives to try to resolve, could be made...is what it’s meant to say...

[y.winter]

Oh wow, what happened? Fight night much

[Calderyon]

The problem mainly exits on the Serious Debates section and then of course sometimes on the main forum sections (BB/CBB) during on-season.

[Ammi]

..it’s not really so much the ‘problem’ though, Cald...it’s more that ‘problems’ seem to be felt and have to be acknowledged and given validity...(...from all perspectives...staff and members etc..)...so it’s more a possible solution of keeping all members and staff where they are right now...and not losing anyone...either from a team or as a member, you know...

[Nicky91]

i know SD&N subforum is a place where the most vile nasty sometimes offensive posts are, i have lots of respect for all you mods keeping this forum clean of all that


but banning members just because they had a too heated conversation, if i were a mod i would've just given a warning to them



this is only my personal opinion, and i will continue to have respect for the mods on here


i know i am not allowed to discuss this but i wanted to express my views on this matter


this thread will probably be closed but i've said what i wanted to say now

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

The problem mainly exits on the Serious Debates section and then of course sometimes on the main forum sections (BB/CBB) during on-season.

Do people really take feuds on-season so seriously? If that's the case then I'm assuming that there's something much deeper going on beneath the surface than "he/she didn't like my favourite Housemate on Big Brother."

And I honestly believe that people should be careful about how much time they spend on Serious Debates as people are likely to fall out over certain political issues, especially if it's a Tory versus Labour issue as neither side can seem to understand each other or compromise with each other on issues on here, tbf it's the same on DS too and it makes their Serious Debates section really intense to keep viewing so I only use it sporadically.

[kirklancaster]

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

― George Orwell, Animal Farm

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Do people really take feuds on-season so seriously? If that's the case then I'm assuming that there's something much deeper going on beneath the surface than "he/she didn't like my favourite Housemate on Big Brother."

And I honestly believe that people should be careful about how much time they spend on Serious Debates as people are likely to fall out over certain political issues, especially if it's a Tory versus Labour issue as neither side can seem to understand each other or compromise with each other on issues on here, tbf it's the same on DS too and it makes their Serious Debates section really intense to keep viewing so I only use it sporadically.

..I don’t think any of us that might say ‘do people take these things so seriously, really..’...have never taken stuff seriously ourselves at some points and some situations, Mock......with a forum such as TiBB and the whole nature of it..we’re all here because of so many close bonds etc...so yes, with that...there will be ‘taken seriously’ as well...there couldn’t not be...we wouldn’t be human and we wouldn’t have balance with the absence of ‘taking things seriously’ at times....

[Nicky91]

i am also sort of shocked about this Ammi, debates just can get heated and then you say things which may come over offensive and vile


i've recently started posting more in SD&N, just to chat more about the news on here either

[Calderyon]

What is the problem then?

Some members just not getting along with each other?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Oh wow, what happened? Fight night much

There was no fight night all those on the list had amassed too many infraction points

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

― George Orwell, Animal Farm

Sums it up Kirk

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

What is the problem then?

Some members just not getting along with each other?

Nope

[Calderyon]

What is the main issue?

And what caused it?

And what is the solution to it?

[LeatherTrumpet]

• Stop Dezzy moderating and posting in SD. He has admitted he has a huge problem dealing with people older than him and it shows. He baits, he is curt and rude and he is inconsistent. He is fine with younger people in other areas and if he wasnt a mod and the protection that brings would be a decent member.
  
  
• get rid of infractions such as "baiting" which are really just a way for mods to exercise grievances or frustrations. Its too generic and too many instances get missed (by their own criteria) that leads to frustration.
  
  
• Mods must post why they deleted an image or a post - end of. If you are going to delete posts say why it was deleted, dont delete them dont say why and then inbfract members when they post it again - madness
  
  
• re state the rules about member insults and tighten them, I am fed up reporting people for this personally.
  
  
• Rethink moderation in SD. Yes it will always be a sh1tstorm and get a little "well wait you said this and i said that" so what, let it go, no one cares and if you as a mod dont participate in SD a lot leave it to those who do.
  
  
• Wipe all infractions and start again, yesterday was just petty and vindictive and dont bother replying it wasnt as no one will believe you
• Mods and admin reply to PMS about grievances and dont ignore them as they wont go away@James. DOnt be bloody lazy.
  

I dont need any member who does not participate regularly in SD to reply btw

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Do people really take feuds on-season so seriously? If that's the case then I'm assuming that there's something much deeper going on beneath the surface than "he/she didn't like my favourite Housemate on Big Brother."

And I honestly believe that people should be careful about how much time they spend on Serious Debates as people are likely to fall out over certain political issues, especially if it's a Tory versus Labour issue as neither side can seem to understand each other or compromise with each other on issues on here, tbf it's the same on DS too and it makes their Serious Debates section really intense to keep viewing so I only use it sporadically.

Feuds are worse offseason than onseason tbh

[Amy Jade]

Dezzy is a great mod and he does thoroughly explain why he infracted you if you ask him.

[Nicky91]

Dezzy is a great mod i agree with Amy, i also admire him for his Kate Bush support

[Withano]

From what I saw/see, people have began to regularly avoid the SD topic and just talk about other forum members.

Probably not the answer the banned members are hoping for, but imo, everyone should make an active effort to stop doing that.

[Nicky91]

i'm not gonna avoid SD

[Matthew.]

i always feel quite intimidated in sd, lots of intelligent people

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

• Stop Dezzy moderating and posting in SD. He has admitted he has a huge problem dealing with people older than him and it shows. He baits, he is curt and rude and he is inconsistent. He is fine with younger people in other areas and if he wasnt a mod and the protection that brings would be a decent member.
  
  
• get rid of infractions such as "baiting" which are really just a way for mods to exercise grievances or frustrations. Its too generic and too many instances get missed (by their own criteria) that leads to frustration.
  
  
• Mods must post why they deleted an image or a post - end of. If you are going to delete posts say why it was deleted, dont delete them dont say why and then inbfract members when they post it again - madness
  
  
• re state the rules about member insults and tighten them, I am fed up reporting people for this personally.
  
  
• Rethink moderation in SD. Yes it will always be a sh1tstorm and get a little "well wait you said this and i said that" so what, let it go, no one cares and if you as a mod dont participate in SD a lot leave it to those who do.
  
  
• Wipe all infractions and start again, yesterday was just petty and vindictive and dont bother replying it wasnt as no one will believe you
• Mods and admin reply to PMS about grievances and dont ignore them as they wont go away@James. DOnt be bloody lazy.
  

I dont need any member who does not participate regularly in SD to reply btw

BRILLIANTLY expressed L.T.

[Rob!]

Well, I got infracted for having an opinion on this last night but I don't really care. This isn't North Korea and if I want to say something about it, I bloody will. The ban system needs a rethink, because the length of those bans compared to those that deserve it is actually laughable.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Withano

From what I saw/see, people have began to regularly avoid the SD topic and just talk about other forum members.

Probably not the answer the banned members are hoping for, but imo, everyone should make an active effort to stop doing that.

Indeed and its a problem that I hope you and brillo resolve going forward