[Kazanne]

Do you think more stop and search would ease the knife crime in the uK ? It could be a good idea if done properly imo.

[bitontheslide]

i think the problem comes from the invasion into privacy when there is no probable cause for the search. For example, what happens if the person is being searched for knives but out pops half a Kg of cannabis from their pockets, or 20 stolen phones. It's a slippery slope really into a police state.

[Nicky91]

everyone has right to their privacy

[Ammi]

...I think more community policing in areas and working with younger people especially would be more the thing than stop and search, Kaz...

[bitontheslide]

they already have scanning equipment at the airport that basically shows people naked. A few more of them in trouble spots could be quite enlightening

[LeatherTrumpet]

the police know who is liable to carry knives in London but their hands are somewhat tied...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the police know who is liable to carry knives in London but their hands are somewhat tied...

sounds like they need to borrow a knife from someone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the police know who is liable to carry knives in London but their hands are somewhat tied...

Yes,I guess they would be accused of racism or intimidation but some sections of society,but reallyif you have nothing to hide,I don't see much of a problem,it may be inconvenient but if it saves just one life surely it would be worth it,as bitontheslide said they could use scanners.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

For example, what happens if the person is being searched for knives but out pops half a Kg of cannabis from their pockets, or 20 stolen phones. It's a slippery slope really into a police state.

If someone out there has stolen at least twenty phones, I don't really care if they get apprehended when they were initially thought to be carrying something else.
Anyone out there whinging about "racism" when it comes to stop and searches in certain areas should leave their stupid comments in their pocket.

[LeatherTrumpet]

A lot of the issue seems to be absent fathers

[DemolitionRed]

If they have good reason to be suspicious then yes.

This is an interesting government report. From https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....-search/latest

From 2012-3 Stop and search has been dropping by quite a bit. 2014-15 had the lowest numbers since 2006

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes it would stop a lot of whats happening ,and if people are doing nothing wrong,they've nothing to fear from being searched

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the problem comes from the invasion into privacy when there is no probable cause for the search. For example, what happens if the person is being searched for knives but out pops half a Kg of cannabis from their pockets, or 20 stolen phones. It's a slippery slope really into a police state.

They would be breaking the law !

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think more community policing in areas and working with younger people especially would be more the thing than stop and search, Kaz...

No Ammi
They are Cutting them back - No funding

So stop and search is back
If you have a rambo knife
you may run.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

No Ammi
They are Cutting them back - No funding

So stop and search is back
If you have a rambo knife
you may run.

...yeah I know there are cutbacks, Arista...that’s one of the issues though imo to help prevent...community policing is essential in areas, especially those of higher violence crimes....

[Ammi]

..don’t you use your bold on me, Arista.....

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A lot of the issue seems to be absent fathers

A fair few people took offense in another thread when I said the best indicator of a successful life is being raised by two parents.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

A fair few people took offense in another thread when I said the best indicator of a successful life is being raised by two parents.

I agree it is the best,but I raised my eldest 2 children alone for most of their childhood and their youth,until I married my 2nd husband when my son was 22 and my daughter 20 ,I have never had any trouble at all with them, they never got into trouble at school or outside, strict but fair parenting is the answer and there must be a line of being the parent and them the child ,sadly today a lot of parents are more interested in being on Facebook with their mates all day ,one of my biggest bug bears is seeing parents pick their kids up from school texting as they walk home while little kid run on in front or lags behind them .. PUT YOUR PHONE DOWN ask them what sort of of day they've had, what they had for dinner,the buck stops with the parents, not schools ,not social media, not video games ,social service, they are YOUR children its up to you to guide them

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

if people are doing nothing wrong,they've nothing to fear from being searched

I wondered how long it would take for this ol' soundbite to trot out. "Not very long", is the unsurprising answer.

Anyway; my answer is a very firm "no" to random searches. If there is legitimate good reason to believe that someone is carrying a weapon, fine. Otherwise, no.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..don’t you use your bold on me, Arista.....

Thats it Lady
Stand your ground

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wondered how long it would take for this ol' soundbite to trot out. "Not very long", is the unsurprising answer.

Anyway; my answer is a very firm "no" to random searches. If there is legitimate good reason to believe that someone is carrying a weapon, fine. Otherwise, no.

I said it because its what I believe and its true .... If you are doing nothing wrong you've nothing to fear

[smudgie]

If somebody is acting suspicious, then fine, stop and search them.
If it is so it can be jotted and totted then no.
My son could be stopped and searched 4 times in one evening....in a very crime free area, but they had to reach those target figures, and he was a cheeky little blighter.
Operation Zero Tolerance it was called, well they got that right.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wondered how long it would take for this ol' soundbite to trot out. "Not very long", is the unsurprising answer.

Anyway; my answer is a very firm "no" to random searches. If there is legitimate good reason to believe that someone is carrying a weapon, fine. Otherwise, no.

How do you define "random"? Would a person who "looked chavvy", was acting really shifty, and crossed the road when near a policeman count as a random search?

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

sadly today a lot of parents are more interested in being on Facebook with their mates all day ,one of my biggest bug bears is seeing parents pick their kids up from school texting as they walk home while little kid run on in front or lags behind them .. PUT YOUR PHONE DOWN

I said much the same in a "pet peeves" thread, I think in Chat&Games. At a Beavers event a few months back one of the parents spent nearly the entire "show" on her phone, while the kids were performing what they'd spent the weekend practising, and would have missed her son's bit if not nudged.

Spoiler:

I wouldn't blame someone for wearing earbuds, but to visibly be ignoring it for one's phone is bloody rude

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I said it because its what I believe and its true .... If you are doing nothing wrong you've nothing to fear

Apart from a life of subservience and obedience to an authoritarian state. But I suppose some people live that way anyway and thus wouldn't fear it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How do you define "random"? Would a person who "looked chavvy", was acting really shifty, and crossed the road when near a policeman count as a random search?


I said much the same in a "pet peeves" thread, I think in Chat&Games. At a Beavers event a few months back one of the parents spent nearly the entire "show" on her phone, while the kids were performing what they'd spent the weekend practising, and would have missed her son's bit if not nudged.

Spoiler:

I wouldn't blame someone for wearing earbuds, but to visibly be ignoring it for one's phone is bloody rude

Really gets my back up !! I've wound down my car window many times and shouted when I've seen "Mothers" crossing a very busy road near me ,texting or checking if anyones "Liked" their post saying they have just picked "Princess " up from school and they are not even holding the 4 yr old "Princess's " hand as she's 10 yards behind her ,this is the start of kids that will end up going wrong,Ive seen it over and over with kids near me