[arista]

Also more important matters of Iran
and North Korea Summit - matter more than that FORMER HOOKER

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

You miss the point it was in 2006
nothing to do with 2018
except her taking the Fecking Cash , first time


Its in the news now because of new lawyer Rudy

She wants a new tv show?


No one trusts her
Former Hoker porn star.

what he did was illegal, so it is a very big deal. He paid her to shut her up during his election campaign, that is very relevant NOW. I think it's you that is missing the point

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what he did was illegal, so it is a very big deal. He paid her to shut her up during his election campaign, that is very relevant NOW. I think it's you that is missing the point

Trump: Stormy Daniels hush money was not from election campaign
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-sto...paign-11356873


Illegal - not in USA Law
Why is Not in Court then?


she is the Problem
took the Cash
then got a Lawyer deal

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

Trump: Stormy Daniels hush money was not from election campaign
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-sto...paign-11356873


Illegal - not in USA Law
Why is Not in Court then?


she is the Problem
took the Cash
then got a Lawyer deal

there is a lot yet to come, and it will go to court.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there is a lot yet to come, and it will go to court.

Maybe
Of Course North Korea is more important than the hooker

[Maru]

I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Stormy Daniels and Daniel's sex life. Really. If he did something illegal, he should be held accountable, absolutely... but I think these sorts of illegal activities go on in campaigns all the time and yet we never see people held accountable. So this is just going to stretch on forever, but I'm not so sure it they will end up with much...

I think Mueller's investigation too may even be made a bit more complicated with all these media/insiders who are privy to details there. These other lawsuits/investigations too seem to be coming into conflict... covering similar ground/issues of corruption ... and so even if the result is fair, then it may look like these investigation(s) have been corrupted, just because of all the leaks and overlapping of witnesses, etc. It doesn't help that Comey is throwing the FBI under the bus when he sold out...

Anyway, when I read he picked up Giuliani as his lawyer, I thought oh this should be good... I do like how outspoken/clear he is with his thoughts, and he is quite knowledgeable on the law (in general)... but I think he enjoys the spotlight too much, similar to Comey, and is prone to contradicting himself or others when the cameras are pointed at him... he absolutely loves the spotlight and wants to be portrayed as a bold attack dog... which I connected that selection with Anthony Scaramucci... you know, the guy who lasted 60 seconds as Trump's press secretary...

The other problem, which I think effects how the public will view any sort of guilty verdict... Donald Trump does treat his lawyers like they're an extension of his PR... and conversely, you've seen people who are tied to the investigations, their lawyers going on the media and spilling their tea...

Just today, they were asking Sarah Huckabee Sanders why Trump's press team didn't know what his lawyer (Giuliani) was going to say on live TV... and she basically said, um, we're not responsible for legal strategy... except, I would disagree, these lawyers are operating as PR.

Stormy Daniel's lawyer has been on several news outlets, basically as a panelist, consulting on news beyond** ... they're trying to make him look bad... and Trump's lawyers have been on the attack as well attempting to counter this PR campaign... so that might be why he took on Giuliani I guess, because he's a bit of an attack dog. I still think it's politically risky when the lawyer is contradicting statements made by their client... and he's not particularly loyal when he's been crossed either.

** How Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Is Outfoxing Trump
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...g-trump-217702

Even though it is annoying to keep hearing about Donald Trump's sex life, it's inevitable this will keep on, so I think something we'll have to get used to... because this is not going to go away... not when there are so many sycophants on both sides trying to get their 15 minutes of glory/fame to raise their own profile, make money off of interviews, etc... it pays to be a "disruptor"... on either side of the political spectrum.

[GiRTh]

Sounds like they're throwing Cohen under the bus.

Apparently, Guiliani and Donnie consulted before the Hannity and Fox and Friends interviews so it looks like this is a strategy not a gaff. I cant think of any other end to this than to distance themselves from Cohen. So then it becomes a case of Cohen flipping and talking to the investigators. That is one hell of a chance to take so lets see how it goes.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Sounds like they're throwing Cohen under the bus.

Apparently, Guiliani and Donnie consulted before the Hannity and Fox and Friends interviews so it looks like this is a strategy not a gaff. I cant think of any other end to this than to distance themselves from Cohen. So then it becomes a case of Cohen flipping and talking to the investigators. That is one hell of a chance to take so lets see how it goes.

It's a good PR strategy if they want to discredit him. They probably know what they can or can't defend in court, so they're taking a risk... but it's possible Cohen is in on this "strategy" and has decided that for his own good it's best to step aside and may be part of the overall political/legal strategy...

Anyway, this is another take...

Here's What You Need To Know About Giuliani Spilling The Beans On Trump Paying Cohen To Pay Off Stormy Daniels
https://www.dailywire.com/news/30215...ng-ben-shapiro

So, either Rudy Giuliani screwed the pooch, or he saved Michael Cohen and the president. There’s not much in-between.

Last night, on Hannity, Giuliani made several claims. First, he claimed that Cohen’s payoff to Stormy Daniels had nothing to do with the election campaign — it was just a normal guy’s-lawyer-paying-off-the-porn-star-he-screwed-a-decade-ago arrangement, unfortunately timed for a month before the election. Second, he claimed that Trump had repaid Cohen in installments, presumably through his monthly retainer. Third, he claimed that Trump didn’t know why he was reimbursing Cohen — it had just been an “expense.”

If all of Giuliani’s contentions were true, then both Cohen and Trump would be off the hook legally. There are two campaign finance issues that the Stormy Daniels payment implicates:

1. In-Kind Contributions. The rule is that in-kind contributions in campaigns are limited to $2,700. So if Cohen “gave” Trump $130,000 by paying off Daniels in order to help Trump’s campaign, then he violated campaign finance law. Cohen’s case would be (a) the payment had nothing to do with the election; or (b) Trump reimbursed him, and there are no limits to giving to yourself during a campaign. While Trump reimbursing Cohen would alleviate the in-kind contribution limit issue, it wouldn’t fully alleviate it — it’s illegal to give a loan to a campaign in excessive amounts as well.
   
2. Contribution Reporting. If this was Trump giving money to his own campaign via Cohen, he had to report it. He didn’t report it to the FEC. Rudy’s defense, therefore, is that Trump was just handing Cohen cash, as he often did.

Why would Giuliani put Trump into this position? Why not leave Cohen out there to hang? Before these comments, Cohen was the only one in legal jeopardy; now Trump has some legal issues to worry about, too. This may mean that Trump was attempting to use Giuliani to convey to Cohen that help was on its way, and not to turn on Trump in the larger FBI investigation.

So, what does all of this mean for Trump? Not much, unless the FBI has gathered information showing that Trump saw the Cohen payoff as a campaign issue. If they have evidence that he did, then he could be caught up in the campaign finance issue. Cohen will likely remain under investigation regardless of Giuliani’s revelations, since loans to campaigns can also exceed finance regulations.

Politically, this doesn’t mean much for Trump either. Everyone with half a brain assumed Trump was lying when he said he didn’t pay off Daniels. Trump lies frequently and fluidly. That’s not a justification for his lying. That’s a fact. And it is also a fact that most Americans have already priced in Trump’s dishonesty. Trump’s garbage with women in his personal life, and he always has been. He’s dishonest about his personal life, and he always has been. He should be condemned for that. But there’s no groundshift in anyone’s judgment about Trump based on the Stormy Daniels affair.

Culturally, this marks yet another odd moment for the conservative right that cannot stand cognitive dissonance. It’s one thing to say you like Trump’s policy and say that he is a rotten scoundrel with regard to women — that’s honest. It’s another thing to deny that he’s a rotten scoundrel with women by imitating the worst arguments of the Left circa 1998: “Everyone lies about sex! It’s just his personal life!” In that realm, the soul-suck of the conservative movement continues apace.

I've lost count of how many legal investigations are going on with regards to Trump. Where exactly does he figure into these corruption charges, i.e. his direct involvement... because he's supposedly guilty depending on the angle, and the Daniel's legal team are sure he's guilty of something here... just a matter of playing Connect the Dots...

It's like he has multiple personality disorder. He is either a mob boss (i.e. highly connected criminal mastermind), a nefarious white collar criminal who just bends rules or a walking dumpster fire of cluelessness... I'm not sure which he is supposed to be now, because the arguments are beginning to contradict themselves. He certainly hangs around very colorful characters, so I guess easy to make any one of those assertions... but it does appear as though they're trying very hard here to paint him in a nefarious light, any way they possibly can, hoping that one of those assertions will eventually stick... who knows... both sides honestly boggle my mind as to their overall strategy... Daniel's has already "won", in a sense, because it's boosted her celebrity profile and made her into a household name...

[GiRTh]

Trump lies frequently and fluidly. That’s not a justification for his lying. That’s a fact. And it is also a fact that most Americans have already priced in Trump’s dishonesty. Trump’s garbage with women in his personal life, and he always has been. He’s dishonest about his personal life, and he always has been. He should be condemned for that. But there’s no groundshift in anyone’s judgment about Trump based on the Stormy Daniels affair.

Astonishing that just over a year into Donnies administration and a comment like this is made in such a matter of fact way.

[Maru]

Giuliani Interview:

Youtube video

Response from Stormy Daniel's lawyer:

Youtube video

[bitontheslide]

The net is closing in on Trump from about 10 different directions. He is an habitual liar. I would hate to be an American right now (sorry to our American members) because they have never had a president this bad before and it must affect peoples day to day lives.

[arista]

[I'm so sick and tired of hearing about Stormy Daniels and Daniel's sex life. Really. If he did something illegal, he should be held accountable, absolutely... but I think these sorts of illegal activities go on in campaigns all the time and yet we never see people held accountable. So this is just going to stretch on forever, but I'm not so sure it they will end up with much...]


Bang On Right Maru.

[Maru]

Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...facts-straight

Trump on Giuliani: He'll get his facts straight

President Trump on Friday called his new personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, a “great guy,” but suggested he may have gotten details wrong about a payment to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels, which she says was made to keep her from speaking about an alleged affair with Trump.

“He started yesterday,” Trump incorrectly said of Giuliani, who was hired on April 19. “He’ll get his facts straight. He’s a great guy.”

Speaking to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House, Trump said the former New York City mayor is “working hard, he’s learning the subject matter and he’s going to be issuing a statement, too.”

Trump said Giuliani shares his opinion that criminal investigations swirling around his presidency are a “witch hunt.”

Giuliani just one day earlier said Trump reimbursed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen for the $130,000 payment to Daniels, contradicting the president’s previous claim that he did not know anything about the payment.

Giuliani said Trump only learned recently about the purpose of the payment, which was made in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election.

Trump backed up Giuliani’s account in a series of tweets Thursday morning. That night, Giuliani told NBC News he coordinated his remarks with Trump, who he said agreed with the decision to reveal the reimbursement.
"You're not going to see daylight between the president and me," the former mayor said. "We're going to work hard to have a consistent strategy."

But now, Trump appears to be walking that account back, adding even more confusion about the payment that has dogged his presidency.

“Rudy had just started and he wasn’t totally familiar with everything,” Trump said later at Joint Base Andrews when asked about Giuliani’s comments.

Trump insisted “we’re not changing any stories” and urged reporters to go back to his statements early last month, when he flatly denied knowing about the payment and claimed he had no knowledge of the source of the money.

"No," Trump said when asked by a reporter if he knew about the Daniels payment.

When a reporter asked why the payment was made, the president responded, "you'll have to ask Michael Cohen."

The White House has been under siege since Giuliani’s disclosure, with a stream of negative headlines about how the conflicting statements have undermined its credibility.

The payment is also the subject of a federal criminal investigation into Cohen, which the president’s allies fear could put him at grave legal risk. Investigators are examining whether the hush money constituted a campaign-finance violation.

[Maru]

Youtube video

[kirklancaster]

The Donald should now adhere to that wise old maxim; 'Least Said, Soonest Mended' and clam up.

Then this tedious, 'Blown-Up-Out-Of-all-Proportion' NON-EVENT might fade away.

Whether he had paid silence money to a hundred (ugly) prostitutes or not does NOT have any REAL bearing on whether he will make a 'Good Fist' of being a President or not, despite what the best efforts of the ever-more-ingeniously-artful Anti-Trump Brigade would have us believe.

And what kind of President Trump turns out to be is ALL that I care about.

Stormy Daniels and every low-life, moral-less, Golddigging ho like her should
disappear into the nearest bottomless chasm.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The Donald should now adhere to that wise old maxim; 'Least Said, Soonest Mended' and clam up.

Then this tedious, 'Blown-Up-Out-Of-all-Proportion' NON-EVENT might fade away.

Whether he had paid silence money to a hundred (ugly) prostitutes or not does NOT have any REAL bearing on whether he will make a 'Good Fist' of being a President or not, despite what the best efforts of the ever-more-ingeniously-artful Anti-Trump Brigade would have us believe.

And what kind of President Trump turns out to be is ALL that I care about.

Stormy Daniels and every low-life, moral-less, Golddigging ho like her should
disappear into the nearest bottomless chasm.

Here, here!

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The Donald should now adhere to that wise old maxim; 'Least Said, Soonest Mended' and clam up.

Then this tedious, 'Blown-Up-Out-Of-all-Proportion' NON-EVENT might fade away.

Whether he had paid silence money to a hundred (ugly) prostitutes or not does NOT have any REAL bearing on whether he will make a 'Good Fist' of being a President or not, despite what the best efforts of the ever-more-ingeniously-artful Anti-Trump Brigade would have us believe.

And what kind of President Trump turns out to be is ALL that I care about.

Stormy Daniels and every low-life, moral-less, Golddigging ho like her should
disappear into the nearest bottomless chasm.

It's a lot more serious than paying some money. Firstly, it was done at a point where it was directly related to the election campaign, a thug was paid to frighten etc. Now the details are open to question and interpretation, but there are questions to be answered.

On top of this, is the almighty link with Russia, and it is a big link, and all that will come out. It has the potential to be an act of treason, pretty serious I think.

The next thing was the narrative.The opponent (Hilary) is a criminal that should be in jail ... no judge, no jury, just ... Hilary should be in jail. He has used similar tactics repeatedly, any time the pressure is on him to try and sway public opinion irrespective of the facts.

He is a pathological liar. He has on average been found out to have lied 6 times per day while in office ..... that just isn't acceptable.

Most serious of all, he is going against an establishment that he is now president of. His corruption and nepotism is wide spread. He is encouraging people in to civil disobedience and anarchy, so that when it comes to the point that he has to answer for his actions, he wants people out on the streets in open rebellion.

Honestly don't think people realise just how serious this all is.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's a lot more serious than paying some money. Firstly, it was done at a point where it was directly related to the election campaign, a thug was paid to frighten etc. Now the details are open to question and interpretation, but there are questions to be answered.

On top of this, is the almighty link with Russia, and it is a big link, and all that will come out. It has the potential to be an act of treason, pretty serious I think.

The next thing was the narrative.The opponent (Hilary) is a criminal that should be in jail ... no judge, no jury, just ... Hilary should be in jail. He has used similar tactics repeatedly, any time the pressure is on him to try and sway public opinion irrespective of the facts.

He is a pathological liar. He has on average been found out to have lied 6 times per day while in office ..... that just isn't acceptable.

Most serious of all, he is going against an establishment that he is now president of. His corruption and nepotism is wide spread. He is encouraging people in to civil disobedience and anarchy, so that when it comes to the point that he has to answer for his actions, he wants people out on the streets in open rebellion.

Honestly don't think people realise just how serious this all is.

Well said.

Plus he is his own worst enemy. A narcissist who is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. Very self-damaging combination.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Well said.

Plus he is his own worst enemy. A narcissist who is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. Very self-damaging combination.

Like a true narcissist, he seems to do most of his blunder-ing when the media cycles are particularly bad (i.e. the press are hounding him, calling him all sorts of name based on new "leaks"). The press knows this, that's why they keep on him like a dog. They're hoping he'll say something stupid or give up pertinent information when he goes into one of his fits.

If I were Mueller, I would just keep the heat lamp on for another few months, leak minor "leaps" in the investigation, to give him enough rope to hang himself...

Or, that's exactly what they're doing now.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Are Donnie and Rudy on the same side?

I think its clear they are trying to weaken Cohens case but does Rudy not realise he is also implicating Donnie? If this works then surely Cohen will flip. Have these two thought this thru?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Are Donnie and Rudy on the same side?

I think its clear they are trying to weaken Cohens case but does Rudy not realise he is also implicating Donnie? If this works then surely Cohen will flip. Have these two thought this thru?

Even if he flips, what could he have to say that isn't isn't covered by attorney client privilege? I think he would if it is found out he possibly covered up something criminal (outside of this payout), but they would have to some significant evidence of it already to compel him to speak on it, or would just be complicating his own case. Wouldn't make sense for him to divulge otherwise, as it could damage his career even since that would make him untrustworthy as an attorney (which is probably his selling point here) and there would have to be evidence that would keep his own hands clean... just a thought.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Maru

Even if he flips, what could he have to say that isn't isn't covered by attorney client privilege? I think he would if it is found out he possibly covered up something criminal (outside of this payout), but they would have to some significant evidence of it already to compel him to speak on it, or would just be complicating his own case. Wouldn't make sense for him to divulge otherwise, as it could damage his career even since that would make him untrustworthy as an attorney (which is probably his selling point here) and there would have to be evidence that would keep his own hands clean... just a thought.

Cohens claims he is Donnies lawyer while Donnies claims he handled a small amount of work for him, so what is covered under the privilege.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Cohens claims he is Donnies lawyer while Donnies claims he handled a small amount of work for him, so what is covered under the privilege.

If that's actually the case, then there's little for him to really divulge. Trump has been through a lot of lawyers... and cabinet members... and wives...

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Maru

If that's actually the case, then there's little for him to really divulge. Trump has been through a lot of lawyers... and cabinet members... and wives...

If Cohen only did a tiny amount then surely there is little that's covered. This is why the strategy is confusing. I would have thought Donnie would claim Cohen did all his work thus its all covered under attorney client privilege.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If Cohen only did a tiny amount then surely there is little that's covered. This is why the strategy is confusing. I would have thought Donnie would claim Cohen did all his work thus its all covered under attorney client privilege.

Perhaps Cohen really is just small fry in the grand scheme of things. I don't know really anyone who would say commitment is a Trump character quality, so could be any number of things (including manic behavior) that decides his next move. He's fairly fluid when it comes to most anything, including policy positions... and everyone is a pawn and every tactic a player move to keep up an ever-growing ponzi scheme...is my opinion.

In contract, personally, I don't really see that Cohen is that "key" to his current legal strategy... but most of his problems right now are with the larger Russia investigation and the upcoming elections. With Cohen being his lawyer in the Stormy case (where Cohen is also a defendant), hiring Giuliani frees his hands to juggle other things.. Cohen, he specifically, may not even be on their larger radar all that while as they are juggling all the other balls in the process.

His administration has had a history of hiccups and being behind the curve (see Sarah Huckabee Sanders) when it comes to pulling themselves up by the boot straps and pulling together an agenda. Giuliani might have been picked as an attack dog there, since Trump prefers to handle these things more aggressively than sit back and watch, etc... and in this case Trump may have just told him to handle the issue and they may have not gone into the hows and whats and it just been a meet-up for mutual asspats...Though I wouldn't rule out them having just not thinking through the PR-side of this strategy and gone with this intend...

As November gets closer, there's a likelihood of the Democrats winning the majority and so the Republicans are having to find candidates at the last minute to replace people who have either retired, quit or refused to join the Great 2018 dumpster fire. If the Democrats win the majority, then it's almost certain Democrats will begin the process for impeachment... that's why I wonder, how much time and energy does he really have to spend on the Stormy Daniel's case, when we all know he's a sleaze, while they are in campaign mode, and having to put out multiple fires at the same time.... most of their own creation actually. So yes, while he's more likely to be legal jeopardy than probably the Russia case... as Giuliani said in the interviews, the charges will possibly be limited to only a slap on the wrist, etc... the bigger headache will be if the Democrats win in November and if the Russia case progresses... which could lead to grounds for impeachment. He doesn't have to lose a case to be impeached... if he's impeached for violating campaign finance rules, then they all have to be impeached/resign.

Trump hires lawyer who represented Clinton in impeachment
https://www.whio.com/news/national-g...dYassebSM1VBL/

Sarah Sanders was reportedly so frustrated over being kept in the dark during the Rob Porter scandal that she publicly 'cursed and yelled' at the White House counsel (Longest title ever)
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/tec...r-12890928.php

Trump's loyal outsiders elbow Kelly out
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...lly-out-568443