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Maru · 25-06-2018, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hi Maru, I appreciate your thoughts and explanations, but these are metrics used to measure things. You may not agree with their methods of measurement, but they sit there as a method of comparing one country against another etc. Looking from the outside I have seen a big change in the USA in recent times, it is no longer a bench mark that others would aspire to, far from it. I think that manifests itself with these metrics.

The current Trump administration are hell bent on bringing down the establishment. Lying to the people they are supposed to represent. Trying to dictate that the absurd be the new gold standard. If this group weren't in power it would be completely different, but they are in power and so very much do threaten democratic values.

Thank God, Bits. I've always disliked the idea of the hero US being held up as some sort of rubric in the way of a "benchmark". I think every country has its issues, its own culture, and for that reason, it's super awkward for me to feel I can compare one to one so simply and easily. Even in the West, our cultures differ quite considerably.. but it can't always be compare everything to the US. We are not infallible. That was always a recipe for disappointment imo with the growing pains of a rebellious culture that would soon gain access to the quick firing information power of the internet. We're a culture of sh** stirrers, for better or worse.

I always thought it was kind of funny too that the liberals here will act as though they're more emotionally reserved than the other. Except they too are rife with this rebel blood. Both factions have a common thread in rebellion and toward opposition.

Anyway on the topic of rubrics, one of most damaging aspects of the modern Western culture imo is the narcissism that is baked into this idea of We are better. It assumes we're always the benchmark. So ridiculous, because I think even the West is not perfect and is capable of some seriously heinous practices. Our ignorance of the externalities we create being one of our biggest flaws.

I think it's also finally time our culture in the US faced the music on a lot of things in this area. So actually, Trump is good in that he forces us now to turn towards ourselves and give a hard look at our flaws, actually look at them for a change. Not just the grandoise vision of our culture, but along the lines of what the Founders predicted could happen if we went too far with idealistic promises and fantasty logic. Imo, our system, as it has been designed has a fair bit of room to absorb Trump Syndrome...

I generally think we have a tendency to oversimplify politics in the West and the way cultures work, and I think a large part of that is due to the narcissism that often comes baked into Western culture... when actually, self-awareness is a major flaw of the West and is our single largest blindspot. That is why I think all that has transpired... is my opinion.

arista · 06-07-2018, 05:15 PM

Revealed: Donald Trump to avoid protests during UK visit
The US president - making his first trip to the UK since being elected - will stay out of London for the majority of his stay.

https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-...visit-11428346

Brillopad · 06-07-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Ref: SkyNewsHD and LBC

Perfect day Friday the 13th

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...-july-11347502
A Working Visit.

All those spiteful haters baying for blood. If it wasn’t so inappropriate it would be hilarious.

Kizzy · 06-07-2018, 05:49 PM

He'll be there meeting may at Blenheim palace and liz at winsor castle, then off to Scotland.

arista · 10-07-2018, 11:39 AM

The Media is now claiming Trump arrives in the UK on Thursday 12th now, next week.
Of course he is at Brussels Nato EU summit this week

Kazanne · 10-07-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

10,000 wow...that's alot

It's a shame we have to do things like this really, too many nutters roaming free.

arista · 10-07-2018, 12:31 PM

Trump says Britain 'in turmoil' ahead of UK trip

https://news.sky.com/story/live-new-...ts-on-11431655

He even wants to meet Boris
on his UK trip.

Tom4784 · 10-07-2018, 12:32 PM

Considering his own precarious position, a certain phrase about stones in glass houses comes to mind.

arista · 10-07-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Considering his own precarious position, a certain phrase about stones in glass houses comes to mind.

Yes he even said live
outside the White House
"Who would think, out of Nato EU , UK in somewhat Turmoil and Putin"
"Frankly Putin is the easiest of all"

Tom4784 · 10-07-2018, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes he even said live
outside the White House
"Who would think, out of Nato EU , UK in somewhat Turmoil and Putin"
"Frankley Putin is the easiest of all"

He can't exactly speak bad about his boss, after all.

chuff me dizzy · 10-07-2018, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

All those spiteful haters baying for blood. If it wasn’t so inappropriate it would be hilarious.

Its a disgrace to our country to greet the President of the USA in this childish way

Tom4784 · 10-07-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its a disgrace to our country to greet the President of the USA in this childish way

It's undemocratic to try to devalue people's right to protest.

Tom4784 · 10-07-2018, 01:23 PM

Bit of a pussy move for him to avoid London though. As ever, he is all talk and no trousers.

arista · 10-07-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

He can't exactly speak bad about his boss, after all.

He likes Putin. Sure Dezzy
but he is not having anyone above him like Vlad.

arista · 10-07-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a pussy move for him to avoid London though. As ever, he is all talk and no trousers.

He has no time for Protesters.

The Golf Course in Scotland
will have more cops around it
than anyone else etc.

arista · 12-07-2018, 07:09 AM

They are saying he arrives in the UK just after mid day at Stansted Airport
The Blow up Baby Trump is due to go up over Westminster
tomorrow.

Oliver_W · 12-07-2018, 09:19 AM

I feel sorry for people who have cars, businesses, or homes in London

I hope the "protestors" can control themselves.

Matthew. · 12-07-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

The Blow up Baby Trump is due to go up over Westminster tomorrow.

bitontheslide · 12-07-2018, 09:37 AM

I'm sure everyone is (secretly) hoping for a Trump twitter meltdown. Wonder if we will get our wish

Oliver_W · 12-07-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm sure everyone is (secretly) hoping for a Trump twitter meltdown. Wonder if we will get our wish

He doesn't care, he'd be more likely to take a selfie with it in the background if it passed by a part of sky visible to him #narcissist

bitontheslide · 12-07-2018, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He doesn't care, he'd be more likely to take a selfie with it in the background if it passed by a part of sky visible to him #narcissist

Actually, i think he cares a lot. For those not aware, the origins of all this stem from his aides saying the only way they could get his attention was by appearing on the TV. When Trump heard this he had a meltdown ... lots of swearing etc along the lines of "are you calling me a ****ing baby" .... so it has history

Tom4784 · 12-07-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I feel sorry for people who have cars, businesses, or homes in London

I hope the "protestors" can control themselves.

It's a bit disingenuous to blame protesters for the actions of opportunists, if anything does happen at the protest, I can guarantee it won't likely be because of the actual protesters.