[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Believing we should prioritise the rights of future victims, including children, over those of the monsters that commit such crimes has nothing to do with ‘acting tough on the internet’.

Too much focus and concern is spent worrying about the rights of the perpetrators and not enough on the victims - and is not representative of a ‘caring society’. Victims first!!!

I'm pretty sure he is not going to be just sent out to live next to a playground and forgotten about. It's not even about about his rights - he has fulfilled his debt to society as deemed fit by the courts. That's not my punishment (which would have been harsher), or your punishment, or even the punishment of his victim, but by the law.

We either have a rule of law or we don't, but when you talk about "future victims", then we're heading into thought crime territory.

I genuinely have no idea what the best thing to do is, however, if he is being released he shouldn't be released to be murdered.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Its about time more thought was given to the victims human rights instead of focusing on the criminals...im all for human rights for people who deserve it..but the minute you disrespect anothers for your own gain or pleasure then why should the world suddenly revolve around you?

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

Nothing, it wouldn't have happened cause he wouldn't have been released due to loss of his human rights.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nothing, it wouldn't have happened cause he wouldn't have been released due to loss of his human rights.

So which crime is he being locked away for the entirety of his life for committing?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So which crime is he being locked away for the entirety of his life for committing?

Anything that would require a new ID if they were to be released.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Anything that would require a new ID if they were to be released.

Again, that's just facile and you must know how easily anyone could pick apart that as an argument?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by parmnion

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/editor/separator.gifIts about time more thought was given to the victims human rights instead of focusing on the criminals...im all for human rights for people who deserve it..but the minute you disrespect anothers for your own gain or pleasure then why should the world suddenly revolve around you?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's just facile; people will commit crimes regardless of the penalties. You can either choose to accept that fact or not, but it doesn't change anything because you act tough on the internet.

I did read somewhere that within five years of abolishing hanging in the UK the amount of murders doubled.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Again, that's just facile and you must know how easily anyone could pick apart that as an argument?

There is no complexity of the issue as far as im concerned..

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

He gets a medal and hero worshipped, he may do time and be prepared for it,he will not be hated that's for sure.

[Withano]

I’ve always been a fan of the UK justice system... Imagine the sort of crimes Venables (or any other psycho) would commit if they knew they’re about to receive a death penalty anyway.

Why are there so many mass-shootings in America? Imo, because, you murder one guy -you’re in jail for life, you murder ten guys, and they’ll give you ten life sentences. Its dumb, and the criminals know this. You kill one guy in America, you might as well kill another 50, and its terrifying that this is logical.

Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody, considering that Kaz has basically just glorified a future potential murderer

Edit: surely he’s not allowed a passport. Is this just about him being called Billy instead of Jon?

[Black Dagger]

Just put him down like the dog he is at this point.

[LaLaLand]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’ve always been a fan of the UK justice system... Imagine the sort of crimes Venables (or any other psycho) would commit if they knew they’re about to receive a death penalty anyway.

Why are there so many mass-shootings in America? Imo, because, you murder one guy -you’re in jail for life, you murder ten guys, and they’ll give you ten life sentences. Its dumb, and the criminals know this. You kill one guy in America, you might as well kill another 50, and its terrifying that this is logical.

Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody, considering that Kaz has basically just glorified a future potential murderer

Edit: surely he’s not allowed a passport. Is this just about him being called Billy instead of Jon?

Even the children he was planning to groom/abuse using his (as the police called it) "Paedo Handbook/Manual" when he was caught this last time?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Even the children he was planning to groom/abuse using his (as the police called it) "Paedo Handbook/Manual" when he was caught this last time?

Agreed Jonni,some people seem to have no thought for the victims of this vile scumbag.but gladly it is only a few,

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody

I dunno I think quite a lot of people would appreciate the right to know if they were interacting with a child murdering peadophile, sadly his rights seem to be more important than that of the general publics.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’ve always been a fan of the UK justice system... Imagine the sort of crimes Venables (or any other psycho) would commit if they knew they’re about to receive a death penalty anyway.

WHAT???? There can be NO ********** crime IMAGINED which TRANSCENDS the DEMONIC, BARBARIC, INHUMAN ********** SLAUGHTER of little Jamie Bulger.

Why are there so many mass-shootings in America? Imo, because, you murder one guy -you’re in jail for life, you murder ten guys, and they’ll give you ten life sentences. Its dumb, and the criminals know this. You kill one guy in America, you might as well kill another 50, and its terrifying that this is logical.

The Death Penalty cannot PREVENT a mass-shooting or multiple-homicide from being committed, no more than it can prevent the slaughter of one solitary innocent toddler, but WHAT it CAN do, is GUARANTEE that the sicko ********** EVIL bastards who DO carry out any of the above ONCE, will NEVER get the chance to REPEAT their evil because (with apologies to Monty Python's Mr Praline)

"He'll have passed on! This scum will be no more! He will have ceased to be! 'Expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'He'll be a stiff! Bereft of life"

And the MORE of them the BETTER.

"Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody, considering that Kaz has basically just glorified a future potential murderer "

Venables PART-served an offensively LENIENT punishment which followed an EARLIER offensively LENIENT punishment.

Giving him a 'New Identity' is self-explanatory - EVERYTHING, from his BIRTH CERTIFICATE through his NATIONAL INSURANCE NUMBER to his NAME, is FORGED by the STATE to PROTECT him.

You know - that SAME State which FAILED to protect little Jamie.

As for Kaz 'basically' glorifying any IMAGINED 'potential murderer, that is FAR more rational and understandable - in my opinion - than anyone who appears to lessen the gravity of the HORRIFIC crimes which this ACTUAL murdering paedophile ACTUALLY committed.

Edit: surely he’s not allowed a passport. Is this just about him being called Billy instead of Jon?

Only my opinion of course.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Just put him down like the dog he is at this point.

(SEE - we DO agree sometimes)

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Even the children he was planning to groom/abuse using his (as the police called it) "Paedo Handbook/Manual" when he was caught this last time?

Not to sound like a controversist... but especially those children?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Only my opinion of course.

Your random capitals honestly give me migraines, I cant even attempt to read that right now

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Withano

Your random capitals honestly give me migraines, I cant even attempt to read that right now

You should, its one of his better ones.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I dunno I think quite a lot of people would appreciate the right to know if they were interacting with a child murdering peadophile, sadly his rights seem to be more important than that of the general publics.

Do you currently believe you have the right to know the previous crimes that everybody has committed upon meeting them?
Do you believe you should have this right?
How would you enforce that?
I feel like this is moving a goal post out of hate, which I do understand... its just not practical though is it.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Do you agree yay or nay,
One of James Bulgers killers is probably going to get a 5th new identity which to date will cost us 5 million pounds, James dad wants his identity revealed, his mom doesn't,imo he should NOT get one ,he should NOT be released ever again, he is a danger to society,but I can see that Denise does not want innocent people targeted,but given he himself has given his true identity can he be trusted with a new one? If the powers that be want to keep him safe,keep him where he is and throw away the key.

No i absolutely do not agree , this so called 'human being' has been taking the piss for years now - it needs to end , no one would want filth like him living anywhere near them . Enough is enough , no more because we all know you will offend again and again. Face your fate - bars for life.

[Jamie89]

He should be locked away for life imo. I believe in rehabilitation in general but he's proven that's not going to happen and he's been given more than enough chances. I'm against vigilante justice though so if he is released then I suppose I'd have to accept that a new identity would need to be part of that. It's not out of compassion for him, I honestly don't care if he's alive or dead, and it's begrudging, but I'd see it as a necessary way of upholding that aspect of the law, which for me is really important - it doesn't have anything to do with actually caring about his personal well being though. I'm against the death penalty as well though, I wonder if that's something that makes a difference in peoples opinion on this?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Only my opinion of course.

Your opinion is on a par with mine Kirk and I am always open to your thoughts,good post

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Your opinion is on a par with mine Kirk and I am always open to your thoughts,good post

Thank You Kaz.