[edu-fk]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Zionism is not a religion. Let's make clear there's a difference between zionism and judaism: first is a political doctrine, second a religion. Adherents of one don't have to be adherents of the other.

Be careful guys, you and edu-fk, you may get banned for antisemitism as it's against the forum rules.

Then it comes, everytime someone challenges the zionist ideology, the zionists come with "antisemitism" excuses. You'll only alienate more people. It's the same people who anwser the complainings about racism by screaming "white genocide".

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by edu-fk

Then it comes, everytime someone challenges the zionist ideology, the zionists come with "antisemitism" excuses. You'll only alienate more people. It's the same people who anwser the complainings about racism by screaming "white genocide".

You seem very angry about Israel. Do you have done connection?

[edu-fk]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You seem very angry about Israel. Do you have done connection?

I guess people who were angry with South Africa was because they hated black people.

People who hated Nazi Germany was also because they hated germans, not you know.. nazis.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by edu-fk

I guess people who were angry with South Africa was because they hated black people.

People who hated Nazi Germany was also because they hated germans, not you know.. nazis.

I'm afraid I am not understanding your train of thought

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by edu-fk

Then it comes, everytime someone challenges the zionist ideology, the zionists come with "antisemitism" excuses. You'll only alienate more people. It's the same people who anwser the complainings about racism by screaming "white genocide".

I happen to be very critical of Israel's policies. My friendly warning was more to Nicky who started to talk about "their religion".

[edu-fk]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I happen to be very critical of Israel's policies. My friendly warning was more to Nicky who started to talk about "their religion".

Well, you included me.

[edu-fk]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I'm afraid I am not understanding your train of thought

Maybe you shouldn't have missed all those classes.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by edu-fk

Maybe you shouldn't have missed all those classes.

Maybe you should broaden your topics of debate - Get out more. Stretch your mind on the other SD threads or Chat and Games. This is a big diverse forum so explore it.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Unfortunately ‘i’m not anti-semitic i’m anti-zionist’ tends to act as a cover for many of Jezza’s hard left supporters.
There are anti-zionist Jews and non racist anti-zionists too but many use it as a veil.

The issue with this stance, is that if we immediately connect anti-Zionism with other types of bias/bigotry, then that opens the door the opposition to take the same walk. Now others could just easily say "Well, those folk only favor X form of politics because they're using that political stance to hide their own bigotry/dog whistling", etc, i.e. people in favor of voter ID laws are inherently racist, etc ... it's yet another game of perception, one we will all lose...

[y.winter]

Whatever. Where were they when Russia won?
Israel has been in ESC since 1973 and won 4 (!) times while not being geographically in Europe, but it's the most European and most western country you could find in the middle east.
Suddenly everyone is wondering why Israel is in ESC (while they could've cared less had Australia won, and it's on the other side of the world). So yes, people should know how to google and find that Israel is in the EBU therefore is eligible to compete and win.
Israel doesn't shoot gay people and has abortion legalized - would you disqualify Russia or Ireland? We can find injustice in almost every country in ESC.
But it's Israel, the only country in the middle east who actually wants to be there every year and embraces Eurovision. An easy target.
Those who don't want Eurovision in Israel, should first stop using their (partly if not fully Israeli inventions) iPhones, Waze, Intel products, flash drives, cherry tomatoes, Get Taxi, Wix and the list goes on.

Oh and Europe voted Israel to win. That's the game. People should deal with it.